(IR) The Treaty of Erinhei-Cinlu Summit (Turn 1)
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Paxus Asclepius
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The Wolf God objects to Faerinala's recommendation, on the grounds that said trial cannot be concluded fairly without a determination of the legal status of the drow who were in question. Trying him before such a determination is made would be an unjust presumption of a crime committed before that crime was legally extant.
The Wolf God is willing to pass Kalanyr's voting rules.
The Wolf God is willing to pass Kalanyr's voting rules.
Rikandur Azebol
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*A imp wearing colours of Iuz appeared and spoke.*
Dont forget to add, Trial of Scarlet Brotherhood ! For many crimes against Empire including wanton murder, resitance to servants of law, false accustations, blasphemy, heresy and many more vile acts. All these charges are against Elder Brothers who escaped, evidences are : Testimony of captured criminal, who tried to commit sucide. Testimony of many witnesses/victims of Brother's Abbon rampage, marks of wounds over bodies of their victims. Demanded is that two hiding criminals will be given in the hands of their wictims, along with all Scarlet Brothers accompanying them. Main guilty will be deilvered Iuz's Justice, others will be judged lighter, for Iuz understands their obedience forced them to listen to wicked orders of main criminals.
And Lord Gallador remained faithful to TEC Pact even if his methods of saving Black Elves, for they are Drow no more without influence of Llolth, are of drastic sort. Currently Lord Gallador is fighting forces of Vecna. While all of You remained idle, only God-Tzar Iuz is supporting him. Who betrayed TEC Pact ? Most of Black Elves that are under care of proffessional healers from Empire are regaining their senses. Rest, left in corrupting influence of, so called, Good powers gone mad along with Eclavdor's Queen ... former Eclavdra the Drow.
God-Tzar states that everyone trading with children of Aliador, will face his wrath. Aliador elves are under His protection !
OOC:
Enough ?
Dont forget to add, Trial of Scarlet Brotherhood ! For many crimes against Empire including wanton murder, resitance to servants of law, false accustations, blasphemy, heresy and many more vile acts. All these charges are against Elder Brothers who escaped, evidences are : Testimony of captured criminal, who tried to commit sucide. Testimony of many witnesses/victims of Brother's Abbon rampage, marks of wounds over bodies of their victims. Demanded is that two hiding criminals will be given in the hands of their wictims, along with all Scarlet Brothers accompanying them. Main guilty will be deilvered Iuz's Justice, others will be judged lighter, for Iuz understands their obedience forced them to listen to wicked orders of main criminals.
And Lord Gallador remained faithful to TEC Pact even if his methods of saving Black Elves, for they are Drow no more without influence of Llolth, are of drastic sort. Currently Lord Gallador is fighting forces of Vecna. While all of You remained idle, only God-Tzar Iuz is supporting him. Who betrayed TEC Pact ? Most of Black Elves that are under care of proffessional healers from Empire are regaining their senses. Rest, left in corrupting influence of, so called, Good powers gone mad along with Eclavdor's Queen ... former Eclavdra the Drow.
God-Tzar states that everyone trading with children of Aliador, will face his wrath. Aliador elves are under His protection !
OOC:
Enough ?
Kalanyr
Explorer
"If Iuz is deemed innocent of violation of the TEC, you are welcome to raise your accusation against the Scarlet Brotherhood. However given that in this meeting Iuz is on trial I do not think the actions of the Scarlet Brotherhood can be considered a crime, a little presumptive though perhaps.
I assure you we have no intention of trading Aliador children.
"
OOC - I assume by Melkor's attack you mean the drow who weren't under Eclavdra's power at the time? I assume his assault on the great city didn't happen, because of SE's change.
I assure you we have no intention of trading Aliador children.
"
OOC - I assume by Melkor's attack you mean the drow who weren't under Eclavdra's power at the time? I assume his assault on the great city didn't happen, because of SE's change.
Rikandur Azebol
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Kalanyr said:
OOC:
Jup, just like Rampage of Iuz they were scavenging remmants of Drow that Eclavdra abadoned. And these drow, collected by Iuz's forces, are under care of Iuz's Medics even if in Great City. Those "tainted" and in result "insane" are free to go to Elistraee. If she is in a state to communicate with someone, when Iuz saw her last time she was going crazy from getting what she wanted.
But no, I'm talking now about war with followers of Selitisia the Lich, worshipper and servitor of Vecna. You know ... ask Airwhale for details.
![:]](http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png "Devious :]")
IC:
Objection. Crimes performed by Brotherhood's members on the people and land of Empire are apparent. We petition King Rhynnon and Al'Akbar to speak their wills, for they are more reliable than representatives of Morwel. She voted against justice, and Empire notices this fact.
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Kalanyr
Explorer
OOC: The previous OOC comment was directed at Paxus.
IC:
Faerinaal replies.
"Morwel has voted not at all and nor have I. That was merely my comment, I can hardly vote before the matter has been discussed and table. And I hardly think a demon-prince is a suitable judge of justice.
Since Iuz seems so intent on having this issue raised, I move that the matters be discussed in the following order:
- The Means of Concensus (voting procedure, or...?)
- The Matter of Aliador (briefly, we want a guarantee of full allegiance from Celene/Yeomantry before allowing them to vote)
- The Trial of Iuz (for the theft of Eclavdra's Regalia and other crimes)
- The Drow Resolution (to determine their status as a nation)
- The Trial of Gallador (for the vampiric infection of Drow citizens and other crimes)
- The Trial of the Scarlet Brotherhood (for assaults upon the Empire of Iuz)
- The Unprotected Aggression Clause (to avoid pact members being dragged into wars of aggression)
"
IC:
Faerinaal replies.
"Morwel has voted not at all and nor have I. That was merely my comment, I can hardly vote before the matter has been discussed and table. And I hardly think a demon-prince is a suitable judge of justice.
Since Iuz seems so intent on having this issue raised, I move that the matters be discussed in the following order:
- The Means of Concensus (voting procedure, or...?)
- The Matter of Aliador (briefly, we want a guarantee of full allegiance from Celene/Yeomantry before allowing them to vote)
- The Trial of Iuz (for the theft of Eclavdra's Regalia and other crimes)
- The Drow Resolution (to determine their status as a nation)
- The Trial of Gallador (for the vampiric infection of Drow citizens and other crimes)
- The Trial of the Scarlet Brotherhood (for assaults upon the Empire of Iuz)
- The Unprotected Aggression Clause (to avoid pact members being dragged into wars of aggression)
"
Rikandur Azebol
First Post
OOC:
Flaming between diplomats ? Bad, bad Faerinaal ... and bad anonymous Imp.
IC:
*Iuz's representative frowned upon hearing supersitious comment of Morwel's proxy. Imp take deep breath, make very saddened expression and massage his temple. But deviling calmed down, and spoke in rancorous tone.*
First, Means of Consensus seem fair. Empire of Iuz accepts it's terms in shape of voting. As it were proposed now.
We wish to inform that grudges against crimes of Brotherhood's members don't mean that Empire treat Scarlet Brotherhood as a whole, as enemy. We all have internal conflicts, except Empire united under benvenolent rule of God-Tzar, and suposition that action against Empire's innocent citizens were performed by renegade claiming to be Abbot Abon is very probably. As well as probability tht this action wasn't sanctioned by Brotherhood.
Empire is suprised, didn't God-Tzar himself spoken that Aliador is independent nation ? And they signed TEC Pact, by themselves.
Trial of God-Tzar ? Nonsense, as later events showed Elistraee's agressive indoctrination give ill results, in the form of undisposition of Her Majesty Eclavdra. Empire hopes that our close ally will recover soon. Even if damage done by doubtful benefactors of Eclavdor is irreversible. Regalia of Eclavdra are given to King Rhynnon in deposit, to return to Her Majesty Eclavdra when she will wish it. Caring for her wellbeing, unlike many others, God-Tzar wishes all to wait until Eclavdra herself recovers enough to make statement if she blames Him for securing Her precious artifact. We trust that King Rhynnon will not fail trust given to him by Empire and God-Tzar.
Drow Resolution ? Another meaningless debate. Eclavdor have internal troubles but is indepedent country and TEC Pact shouldn't interfere without evidences of foreign attack. Whenever Eclador's citizens will feel opressed by foresightless indoctrinating efforts, made in best intentions wich Empire could uderstand, they could find refugee in Empire of Iuz. Empire respect their free choice. All Black Elves are given free pass trough Empire's borders if they feel wronged by actions of, so called, good powers and if they will choose to became Empire's citizens we will welcome them warmly. Other way, they could fing peaceful shelter in Empire, for nobiody will persecute them of racial supersitons, wich were overcamed in Empire long ago.
Trial of King Gallador ?! This is outrageously shocking. King's subjects didn't do any harm to Eclavdor's citizens. And he is risking his existence, while buying Oerth time to prepare for unevitable assault from forces of One Eyed Lich.
We agree that Unprotected Agression Clause is valid. Empire loves peace, for we know it's price better than many. We was forced to fight for our freedom from very beggining of Empire's existence.
OOC:
Imp overcarries a bit ... but speech is nice, isn't it ?
Flaming between diplomats ? Bad, bad Faerinaal ... and bad anonymous Imp.
IC:
*Iuz's representative frowned upon hearing supersitious comment of Morwel's proxy. Imp take deep breath, make very saddened expression and massage his temple. But deviling calmed down, and spoke in rancorous tone.*
First, Means of Consensus seem fair. Empire of Iuz accepts it's terms in shape of voting. As it were proposed now.
We wish to inform that grudges against crimes of Brotherhood's members don't mean that Empire treat Scarlet Brotherhood as a whole, as enemy. We all have internal conflicts, except Empire united under benvenolent rule of God-Tzar, and suposition that action against Empire's innocent citizens were performed by renegade claiming to be Abbot Abon is very probably. As well as probability tht this action wasn't sanctioned by Brotherhood.
Empire is suprised, didn't God-Tzar himself spoken that Aliador is independent nation ? And they signed TEC Pact, by themselves.
Trial of God-Tzar ? Nonsense, as later events showed Elistraee's agressive indoctrination give ill results, in the form of undisposition of Her Majesty Eclavdra. Empire hopes that our close ally will recover soon. Even if damage done by doubtful benefactors of Eclavdor is irreversible. Regalia of Eclavdra are given to King Rhynnon in deposit, to return to Her Majesty Eclavdra when she will wish it. Caring for her wellbeing, unlike many others, God-Tzar wishes all to wait until Eclavdra herself recovers enough to make statement if she blames Him for securing Her precious artifact. We trust that King Rhynnon will not fail trust given to him by Empire and God-Tzar.
Drow Resolution ? Another meaningless debate. Eclavdor have internal troubles but is indepedent country and TEC Pact shouldn't interfere without evidences of foreign attack. Whenever Eclador's citizens will feel opressed by foresightless indoctrinating efforts, made in best intentions wich Empire could uderstand, they could find refugee in Empire of Iuz. Empire respect their free choice. All Black Elves are given free pass trough Empire's borders if they feel wronged by actions of, so called, good powers and if they will choose to became Empire's citizens we will welcome them warmly. Other way, they could fing peaceful shelter in Empire, for nobiody will persecute them of racial supersitons, wich were overcamed in Empire long ago.
Trial of King Gallador ?! This is outrageously shocking. King's subjects didn't do any harm to Eclavdor's citizens. And he is risking his existence, while buying Oerth time to prepare for unevitable assault from forces of One Eyed Lich.
We agree that Unprotected Agression Clause is valid. Empire loves peace, for we know it's price better than many. We was forced to fight for our freedom from very beggining of Empire's existence.
OOC:
Imp overcarries a bit ... but speech is nice, isn't it ?
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Melkor Lord Of ALL!
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Princess Lanfear enters The Silver Palace, stunning everyone with her unhuman beauty- perfect figure, exotic skin color typical to rare half-elves of Drow descend, silver hair and velvet eyes. She wears a silver dress with pearls, moving with grace the living can`t hope to achieve. She looks at Brother Abbon and Faerinaal with fury:
"So, you dare to accuse my father of treason?! He can`t be here, for he is valiantly fighting the followers of Vecna, which is going to save your pathetic, undeserving skin! And we saved only those Drow that denied Eclavdra Velsharess, they were not members of our Pact! Those we embraced have ascended to the state of Immortality and Power, while the rest seem to be failing into madness! And I confirm that Scarlet Brotherhood attacked Lord Iuz without provocation!"!
"So, you dare to accuse my father of treason?! He can`t be here, for he is valiantly fighting the followers of Vecna, which is going to save your pathetic, undeserving skin! And we saved only those Drow that denied Eclavdra Velsharess, they were not members of our Pact! Those we embraced have ascended to the state of Immortality and Power, while the rest seem to be failing into madness! And I confirm that Scarlet Brotherhood attacked Lord Iuz without provocation!"!
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devilish
Explorer
A pop of compressed air crackles the outside corner of the room.
Within the sound, a finely dressed lich appears.
"I have come as you requested..." growls the lich angrily. With your
quizzical looks, it announces "Acererak! I have come to listen
and to vote."
The lich floats over to the meeting area.
Within the sound, a finely dressed lich appears.
"I have come as you requested..." growls the lich angrily. With your
quizzical looks, it announces "Acererak! I have come to listen
and to vote."
The lich floats over to the meeting area.
Bugbear
First Post
Having watched the exchange with some interest, Rhynnon speaks
Clearly, before we can hold a trial for Iuz and Gallidor, we must first determine whether they have violated the terms of the proposed pact. I therefore suggest the following agenda:
Day One
-Introductions and opening speeches
-The Means of Consensus (to determine the means of voting among members)
-The Iuz Question (to determine the status of Iuz)
-The Gallidor Question (to determine the status of Gallidor)
-The Elder Brother Question (to determine the status of the Brotherhood)
-The Eclavdor Question (to determine the status of The Empire of Eclavdor)
-The Allidor Question (to determine the status of Allidor)
Day Two
-Trials for any parties found in violation of the proposed charter (Where those found in violation of the Pact are judged)
-Reading of proposed Charter (A reading of the current Pact charter)
-Proposals to amend the Proposed charter (Where any member in good standing may propose changes to the charter)
-Votes to amend the Proposed Charter (A general vote on each proposed change)
-Reading of the Amended Charter (Once all changes have been voted on, the Amended charter will then be read)
Day Three:
-Trials continued (if necessary) and judgments carried out
-Closing Statements
-Official Signing Ceremony
Clearly, before we can hold a trial for Iuz and Gallidor, we must first determine whether they have violated the terms of the proposed pact. I therefore suggest the following agenda:
Day One
-Introductions and opening speeches
-The Means of Consensus (to determine the means of voting among members)
-The Iuz Question (to determine the status of Iuz)
-The Gallidor Question (to determine the status of Gallidor)
-The Elder Brother Question (to determine the status of the Brotherhood)
-The Eclavdor Question (to determine the status of The Empire of Eclavdor)
-The Allidor Question (to determine the status of Allidor)
Day Two
-Trials for any parties found in violation of the proposed charter (Where those found in violation of the Pact are judged)
-Reading of proposed Charter (A reading of the current Pact charter)
-Proposals to amend the Proposed charter (Where any member in good standing may propose changes to the charter)
-Votes to amend the Proposed Charter (A general vote on each proposed change)
-Reading of the Amended Charter (Once all changes have been voted on, the Amended charter will then be read)
Day Three:
-Trials continued (if necessary) and judgments carried out
-Closing Statements
-Official Signing Ceremony
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