D&D General IRL nominations (historically classic ie religious, pantheonic, folkloric, no newer than 1600) for mythical cosmologies you enjoy including in d&d.
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MoonSong
Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
Well, let's not waste a a perfectly good necroing.
My choices would be
Vedic (Pre-brahmanic)
Anahuac (Not just Aztec)
Basque
Celebrim
Legend
Cool choices.
Wiseblood
Adventurer
It’s like you read my mind. Not kidding at all. I just watched Errementari but I was at the same time thinking more broadly Aztec and the word Vedic was specifically in my thoughts. Great minds I guess.
Todd Roybark
Hero
Respectfully, you have the opposite interpretation.
My point was based off the “No Religion” guidelines of this board, this thread should not even exist, let alone have grown to 4 pages from the 3 pages, it was this morning. New votes have been added. Clearly, people talk about religion on the board and reference it.
If talking about religion is an accepted practice, then I just want clarity as to what the redlines are.
If the board guidelines as written is the answer, I’m all for it. I’m cool with Rules as Written campaigns as well, but I get perturbed at Rules as Written-Sometimes campaigns.
Religion is too important a topic, for a RAW- Sometimes, in my opinion.
The existence and growth of this thread, is a really big sometimes.
My personal preference is for RAW Guidelines, not just Sometimes.
Also, to be clear. I respect, Umbran, and his moderation was never in question by me.
I do, however, feel that it does illustrate how, haphazardly, we all, ENworld posters included, have applied the No Religion Guideline, vis a vis this very thread.
Not picking a fight CleverNickName, just clarifying my point.
If people do not want RAW Guidelines enforced, then what are the rules?
(That is all I am asking).
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Respectfully, you have the opposite interpretation.
Clearly, people talk about religion on the board and reference it.
If talking about religion is an accepted practice, then I just want clarity as to what the redlines are.
If the board guidelines as written is the answer, I’m all for it. I’m cool with Rules as Written campaigns as well, but I get perturbed at Rules as Written-Sometimes campaigns.
Religion is too important a topic, for a RAW- Sometimes, in my opinion.
The existence and growth of this thread, is a really big sometimes.
My personal preference is for RAW Guidelines, not just Sometimes.
Also, to be clear. I respect, Umbran, and his moderation was never in question by me.
I do, however, feel that it does illustrate how, haphazardly, we all, ENworld posters included, have applied the No Religion Guideline, vis a vis this very thread.
Not picking a fight CleverNickName, just clarifying my point.
If people do not want RAW Guidelines enforced, then what are the rules?
(That is all I am asking).
I think it is more about religions which are currently practiced IRL, so not to intimidate any potential follower of one of these religions reading on this board.
I do think that talking about some ancient real world cult like ancient greek, norse or roman pantheon is totally in order, Mods please correct me if I am wrong on this one.
Todd Roybark
Hero
Hi Coroc...this is copied from above: the list to be voted on.
More importantly if we exclude active religions we exclude the Mahābhārata, from India, which is still a part of the subcontinent’s religions and culture....and also is an awesome mythological source.
Is it fair and inclusive that we can talk about Thor and not Shiva?
Trishula makes Excalibur look like a toothpick.
More importantly if we exclude active religions we exclude the Mahābhārata, from India, which is still a part of the subcontinent’s religions and culture....and also is an awesome mythological source.
Is it fair and inclusive that we can talk about Thor and not Shiva?
Trishula makes Excalibur look like a toothpick.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing
Indeed, and I was happy to be wrong. I should assume better of people, and I really try, but years of argument on the Internet has hardened my expectations a bit too much for my own good.
Hi Coroc...this is copied from above: the list to be voted on.
More importantly if we exclude active religions we exclude the Mahābhārata, from India, which is still a part of the subcontinent’s religions and culture....and also is an awesome mythological source.
Is it fair and inclusive that we can talk about Thor and not Shiva?
Trishula makes Excalibur look like a toothpick.
Well tbh. the bible is also an awesome mythological source, still I would not include any of it into my games because some of my players are regular churchgoers and practicing Christians. If you want to use such sources you should to defamiliarize them at least to be on the safe side.
I do not have Hinduists in my group but there might be some on this forum, so you need to respect them as well, starting to classify one IRL religion as being ok to use as source for your games - just because it is mainly revered some thousand miles away and you do not know any follower personally - is already devaluing it versus a religion you would not use at all because your players are of that faith.
Tonguez
A suffusion of yellow
Respectfully, you have the opposite interpretation.
Clearly, people talk about religion on the board and reference it.
If talking about religion is an accepted practice, then I just want clarity as to what the redlines are.
If the board guidelines as written is the answer, I’m all for it. I’m cool with Rules as Written campaigns as well, but I get perturbed at Rules as Written-Sometimes campaigns.
Religion is too important a topic, for a RAW- Sometimes, in my opinion.
The existence and growth of this thread, is a really big sometimes.
My personal preference is for RAW Guidelines, not just Sometimes.
Also, to be clear. I respect, Umbran, and his moderation was never in question by me.
I do, however, feel that it does illustrate how, haphazardly, we all, ENworld posters included, have applied the No Religion Guideline, vis a vis this very thread.
Not picking a fight CleverNickName, just clarifying my point.
If people do not want RAW Guidelines enforced, then what are the rules?
(That is all I am asking).
And sometimes in real life as in game we need to avoid rules lawyering and go with commonsense or DM (mod) fiat.
The rule about Religion isnt a ban on discussion of mythology or specific pantheons or even beleifs (the game features Clerics, Paladins and Druids!) but I think we can all accept that those things are NOT the same as debating specific doctrine or dogma or real world religious practice.
of course if the ENWorld DM or his lesser dMs want to correct me then so be it
Twiggly the Gnome
Legend
Yeah, the Forgotten Realms has at least three Christian pastiches, but they're not immediately evident.
Ilmater one of them?
Todd Roybark
Hero
Wiseblood and Oofta, that is my point, based just off comments in this thread, there does seem to be somewhat widespread confusion on what the Enworld Board Guidelines, meaning is and how the guideline should be implemented.
I am advocating for clarification of the rule and then calibration of our actions to comply with the clarification.
This is the section from the Enworld Guidelines:
“should mention the "no religion, no politics" rule -- please refrain from discussion of a religious or political nature. This last may seem a rather draconic rule, but it has helped keep the peace around here for a long time. There are plenty of places on the internet where one could have those sorts of discussion”.
Is asking about how to model Transubstantiation in D&D non compliant?
I don’t know, the prevalent answer is “it depends”.
I am advocating for clarification of the rule and then calibration of our actions to comply with the clarification.
This is the section from the Enworld Guidelines:
“should mention the "no religion, no politics" rule -- please refrain from discussion of a religious or political nature. This last may seem a rather draconic rule, but it has helped keep the peace around here for a long time. There are plenty of places on the internet where one could have those sorts of discussion”.
Is asking about how to model Transubstantiation in D&D non compliant?
I don’t know, the prevalent answer is “it depends”.
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Oofta
Legend
If there's ever a question in your mind of whether a post crosses the line, feel free to report it to the admins. They have occasionally stepped in.
I think the policy is fine and clearly states their intent as I posted above. You, of course, are free to message them directly.
Twiggly the Gnome
Legend
Right, in Greenwood's home game this was Issek of the Jug from Nehwon. Also in his home game, Nobanion was Aslan from the Narnia books. Later TSR added the overgod Ao, which is a rift on a title of Christ, the Alpha and the Omega.
Mod Note:
I understand the intent. But please note that the folks who you're discussing it with are just fellow users, and don't determine the rules.
This thread is not the place for this discussion. Feel free to discuss in the Meta forum, if you wish, but if everyone would please drop the matter here, it would be appreciated. Thank you, all.
Todd Roybark
Hero
Done!
J-H
Hero
My Castlevania game is set in ~1470s Europe. The safe areas are marked by crosses, the castle has a chapel area, etc. There's also a genie, a 2,000 year old mummy lord who has a beef with Ra and wants to blot out the sun, and an Aztec sacrificial dagger in the hands of a death priest.
I am a Christian, but this is a game and I am flat out not getting into any justification about how a monotheistic deity can exist and be correct in a world where there are gods who aren't just disguised demons. It just is all there and it is what it is, and anyone who tries to figure out how it all works is just going to get the Doylist answer of "Because it's fun, and because it's easier than learning all the Faerun stuff."
The same will apply to the possible follow-up featuring an avatar of Huitzopochitl and Aztecs invading Spain on air-skiffs powered by still-beating hearts sacrificed to their evil sun hummingbird.
So, my favorites for D&D:
Aztecs
Egyptians
If I had to pick a 3rd, I'd go with some sort of semi-Greek Atlantean set of deities worshipped by the fish-men who inhabit the cursed sunken continent, and who seek to drown the entire world.
This is based primarily on familiarity - pretty much everyone knows the Greek, Norse, and Egyptian gods at least somewhat. I just find the Norse stuff harder to use.
I am a Christian, but this is a game and I am flat out not getting into any justification about how a monotheistic deity can exist and be correct in a world where there are gods who aren't just disguised demons. It just is all there and it is what it is, and anyone who tries to figure out how it all works is just going to get the Doylist answer of "Because it's fun, and because it's easier than learning all the Faerun stuff."
The same will apply to the possible follow-up featuring an avatar of Huitzopochitl and Aztecs invading Spain on air-skiffs powered by still-beating hearts sacrificed to their evil sun hummingbird.
So, my favorites for D&D:
Aztecs
Egyptians
If I had to pick a 3rd, I'd go with some sort of semi-Greek Atlantean set of deities worshipped by the fish-men who inhabit the cursed sunken continent, and who seek to drown the entire world.
This is based primarily on familiarity - pretty much everyone knows the Greek, Norse, and Egyptian gods at least somewhat. I just find the Norse stuff harder to use.
