Irritating Munchkin tricks your Players try to argue.

[Storm Raven]

"I wanna make a half-orc barbarian that's so huge he'd be a Large creature."

"We call those ogres, here are their racial adjustments. Make sure you account for the ECL."

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Irritating Munchkin tricks your Players try to argue.

Allowing a munchkin to increase the range of a spell by 50% is stupid.

The worst players are the ones who abuse every item they can get their hands on.

Not allowing your caster to cast a spell which you are supposed to point out of fingers anywhere they can point is just silly.

The worst DMs are the rules-lawyer DMs. Who cares if it isn't exactly 100% word-for-word by the book? The game is supposed to be fun.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

BTW, there is something no one here has thought about.

The character in question like all characters in battle is standing in the middle of his own 5' square.

IF he sticks his hands forward as far as possible that means at most his hands are now a the end of his 5' space or possible a few inches beyond his own 5' square.

So the more I think about it the more I realize the request he made was plain impossible. By the rules there were two 5' squares between him and his target. Sticking his arms out is not going to negate one of those squares and allow him to nail the target.

 

[Forrester]

BTW, there is something no one here has thought about.

The character in question like all characters in battle is standing in the middle of his own 5' square.

IF he sticks his hands forward as far as possible that means at most his hands are now a the end of his 5' space or possible a few inches beyond his own 5' square.

So the more I think about it the more I realize the request he made was plain impossible. By the rules there were two 5' squares between him and his target. Sticking his arms out is not going to negate one of those squares and allow him to nail the target.

Weeeeeelll . . . I suppose that depends on how many 5' CUBES a medium sized character takes up. Because, as has been pointed out, he's firing straight up at the ceiling.

Certainly, a halfling sorcerer takes up one 5' cube with regard to reach. A medium-sized (say, 6' tall) creature, though . . . well, he's *in* two cubes, so I think (if you want to be anal retentive, and you sure in the hell seem to) he's taking up two 5' cubes, one on top of the other.

So, based on that, he's within two cubes of his target, and should be able to nail him.

I really don't see why you have it in for this guy. Maybe there's a pattern or somesuch, but this one isolated incident of trying to burn something on an 18' ceiling sure in the hell isn't munchy.

 

[LuYangShih]

I agree. I don't really see anything munchy about what he wanted to do. It would've been visually cool, but not really munchkin at all. A truly munchkin character wouldn't have Burning Hands memorized, anyway, there are far better spells to get at first level.

 

[Numion]

10 ft range spell doesn't affect anything beyond 10 ft. Whats so hard about that?

BTW, do fighters get extra 3 ft reach which is rounded to 10 ft total when they fight "with their hands reaching out"?

 

[Forrester]

10 ft range spell doesn't affect anything beyond 10 ft. Whats so hard about that?

BTW, do fighters get extra 3 ft reach which is rounded to 10 ft total when they fight "with their hands reaching out"?

Well, actually, they do.

Suppose a fighter is in the center of his 5' square. Technically, if he has 10' reach, he should not be able to hit anything farther away than the center of two squares away.

However, that's not the way 3E works. By the rules, he can hit something standing twelve feet away -- that is, something standing at the far end of the square, two squares away from him.

No doubt he's doing that by reaching with his hands out .

Seriously, this is some really stupid minutia we're getting into here. This is what you get when you try to apply mini rules that assume everything is based in 5' increments to versimilitudinous environments where things are, say, twelve feet away.

And then get all rules-lawyerly about what you can and can't reach.

 

[Tom Cashel]

Well in my opinion the DC's for both Concentration Checks and Spellcraft Checks are way too low on the average.

Funny how DMs can be munchkins too...

Player (Rog/Wiz): I open the door.
DM (Dungeon Munchkin): It's locked.
Player: I pick the lock (rolls D20).
DM: Sorry, you fail. It's a DC48 lock.
Player: I cast knock.
DM: The spell doesn't work...for some reason.
Player: We all work together to bash down the door.
DM: The door's too small for more than one person to force it.
Player: (suggests creative spell/skill/ability use that will certainly open the "stuck" door)
DM: You...you...MUNCHKIN!

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Dare I ask.

What does this have to do with anything?

Funny how DMs can be munchkins too...

Player (Rog/Wiz): I open the door.
DM (Dungeon Munchkin): It's locked.
Player: I pick the lock (rolls D20).
DM: Sorry, you fail. It's a DC48 lock.
Player: I cast knock.
DM: The spell doesn't work...for some reason.
Player: We all work together to bash down the door.
DM: The door's too small for more than one person to force it.
Player: (suggests creative spell/skill/ability use that will certainly open the "stuck" door)
DM: You...you...MUNCHKIN!

 

[Gizzard]

I had the strangest dream the other night.

I dreamed that I was DMing my girlfriend & her group (in real life we play in separate 6 player groups). She had come to a steep staircase with a landing halfway down. (Where was the rest of her group? I dont know. It was a dream.)

I said, "You see a steep staircase, what do you do?".
She said, "I run down it."
Me: "You run down it?"
She: "I run down it."

So I call for a Balance check and she rolls a 3. I call for a second one and she rolls a 2. I start describing how she began to lose her balance on the upper staircase and then tripped on the landing to tumble down the lower stairs.

And then, using dream-logic nonesense arguements, all the rest of her group began to throw out reasons why I should never have called for the Balance check at all. Munchkin of all munchkin arguments that, of course, are unintelligible since they are from a dream. I wish I could remember them for this thread. ;-)

But, here's the real gem. When I told my GF this story her immediate response was:

She: "Well, falling damage is subdual isnt it? So I wouldn't really be hurt."
Me: "Auugh! This is exactly what my dream was like!"
She: "?"

Lol.