Is Clothing considered armor...?

[Hypersmurf]

I don't see a problem with allowing clothes to be enhanced just like armor.

It leads to a lot of naked monks.

-Hyp.

 

[KarinsDad]

Why wouldn't magic vestment stack with a shirt with a +5 armour bonus?

In 3E, it wouldn't if cast on a shield because Enhancement bonuses for a shield stack with Enhancement bonuses for armor, but not with an Armor bonus.

In 3E, it wouldn't if cast on an Armor Bonus shirt because Enhancement bonuses for armor doesn't stack with an Armor bonus.

In 3.5, it would stack if cast on a shield because Enhancement bonuses for a shield stack with Armor bonuses, even on a shirt (presumably, I do not have the 3.5 rules and the 3.5 SRD was unclear where I looked).

In 3.5, it wouldn't if cast on an Armor Bonus shirt because Enhancement bonuses for armor doesn't stack with an Armor bonus.

 

[Hypersmurf]

In 3E, it wouldn't if cast on a shield because Enhancement bonuses for a shield stack with Enhancement bonuses for armor, but not with an Armor bonus.

In 3E, it wouldn't if cast on armor because Enhancement bonuses for armor doesn't stack with an Armor bonus.

In 3.5, it would stack if cast on a shield because Enhancement bonuses for a shield stack with Armor bonuses (presumably, I do not have the 3.5 rules and the 3.5 SRD was unclear where I looked).

In 3E, it wouldn't if cast on armor because Enhancement bonuses for armor doesn't stack with an Armor bonus.

He meant if you had clothing with a +5 armor bonus (like reslotted Bracers or Robe of the Archmagi into clothing form) and then cast Magic Vestment on the clothing.

-Hyp.

 

[KarinsDad]

He meant if you had clothing with a +5 armor bonus (like reslotted Bracers or Robe of the Archmagi into clothing form) and then cast Magic Vestment on the clothing.

Yup. I edited my message to mean what I meant, not what I wrote. It's getting late.

 

[Saeviomagy]

He meant if you had clothing with a +5 armor bonus (like reslotted Bracers or Robe of the Archmagi into clothing form) and then cast Magic Vestment on the clothing.

-Hyp.

Yeah, looking at it, the only reason that magic vestment DOESN'T stack is that the spell specifically says "treat clothing as having an AC bonus of 0 for this spell", which means the spell won't enhance an existing armour bonus.

However in general it would appear that you could make bracers of armour, and then apply enhancement bonuses to their armour seperately, since they provide an armour bonus, not an enhancement bonus to armour...

 

[Hypersmurf]

However in general it would appear that you could make bracers of armour, and then apply enhancement bonuses to their armour seperately, since they provide an armour bonus, not an enhancement bonus to armour...

Hmm? Not sure what you're saying - can you give an example?

-Hyp.

 

[Artoomis]

...However in general it would appear that you could make bracers of armour, and then apply enhancement bonuses to their armour seperately, since they provide an armour bonus, not an enhancement bonus to armour...

Nope - not by the core rules, anyway. Armor enchantments of any sort are for armor only.

If you use rules other than the core rules, you may place armor enchantments on bracers. Not on clothes, though. I have not seen any rules for that other than house rules.

 

[Hypersmurf]

If you use rules other than the core rules, you may place armor enchantments on bracers. Not on clothes, though. I have not seen any rules for that other than house rules.

Well, if you allow them on Bracers, and if you allow reslotting of Wondrous Items (Headband of Wisdom, Periapt of Charisma, Bracers of Mighty Fists) - neither of which are strictly house rules, given that 3.5 has a whole table devoted to body slot affinities and A&EG was supposed to be semi 3.5-compatible - then the door's already open.

-Hyp.

 

[Artoomis]

Well, if you allow them on Bracers, and if you allow reslotting of Wondrous Items (Headband of Wisdom, Periapt of Charisma, Bracers of Mighty Fists) - neither of which are strictly house rules, given that 3.5 has a whole table devoted to body slot affinities and A&EG was supposed to be semi 3.5-compatible - then the door's already open.

-Hyp.

Correct. If you use rules other than core rules. Yes, I suppose you could do it by paying the re-slotting cost IF you allow the bracers to have armor enchantments in A&EG.

It would be expensive, but I suppose it's possible using re-slotting plus A&EG rules.

 

[Saeviomagy]

Hmm? Not sure what you're saying - can you give an example?

-Hyp.

Well, say I have some item (such as the robe of the archmagi, or bracers of armour), and I convince my GM to allow me to enchant it like armour.

They grant an armour bonus, in exactly the same way as armour itself does. Which means I then enchant them with an enhancement to their ac. I end up with +5 bracers of armour +8, for a total of +13 ac.

Of course this requires a GM which lets you re-slot armour enhancements onto something else.

OK, then how about this:

"Magic armor bonuses are enhancement bonuses, never rise above +5, and stack with regular armor bonuses (and with shield and magic shield enhancement bonuses)"
- SRD entry on "magic armor"

So - Bracers of armor +8, +5 padded armour. Apparently the 'enhancement bonus' on the armour stacks with regular armor bonuses... Total of 13 AC.

Now if only I could get rid of the 5% arcane failure...