Is Helios Rising the Largest Sci-Fi Setting Book Ever?

Knowing Justin, I think he's just excited about Helios Rising and since it's a very big book wanted to know if it is the biggest. Posting a question like this in General would get the most responses and other publishers aren't likely to tell him whether it's the biggest sci-fi setting book ever or not anyhow.

Regardless, we need to assume good faith in others before passing judgment.
 

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Wulf Ratbane said:
I had no idea there was a no pimping rule at ENWorld.

Seriously.

There actually isn't a "no pimping rule" at ENWorld. However, there is a "pimp in the right forum rule." That's Press Releases. Now, I know that a lot of people have used the d20 system forum to ask questions about Grim Tales. That is where that belongs.

Oh, and Wulf, let me know if you make it out to Denver now, since I've picked up stakes and moved.
 

Jonny Nexus said:
I'm curious.

I was always taught that good writing involves using the fewest words possible. If I could describe something in 100 words, but there's another way I could describe it in 50 words that describes it just as well, then I should pick the 50 word option.

So we writers spend our childhood trying to make our "stories" as long as possible, and our adulthood trying to make them as short as possible.
Agreed.

And yet you firstly appear to be marketting your book on the basis of how long it is,
While I understand why you (and others) could make such an error, it is indeed an error. I have not marketed the book based on how long it is. This was an issue during the creative process only because its ever-increasing length from the planned page count resulted in a publication delay. People who were interested in the book continally asked me for updates, including the page count. You'll note that the actual product page doesn't reference the book's length other than a simple notation of page count at the end, which is standard.

and secondly wrote an opening section to this post:

[snip]

...which could have been much more efficiently written as:

[snip]
I felt the preamble was necessary as context for those who might have seen the original RPGnet posts. You'll note that my second effort at RGPnet I essentially did exactly what you're suggesting.

How can I put this..? Assuming that you genuinely weren't attempting to market your product in your post* but were instead simply asking a question, well I'm starting to wonder about how good the quality of the writing might be in your product.

Put simply: is it 540 pages of waffle that could have been more efficiently written in, say, 300 pages?
No need to worry. While I wrote the post, Lee Hammock wrote the book; I think his record speaks for himself.

*I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, partly because I'm making a point based on what you are claiming, and partly because if I don't you might accuse me of making a personal attack by calling you a liar. (Although to be fair, it's only a personal attack if you genuinely aren't lying - if you are, then it's merely an observation).
I disagree. Calling someone a liar gratuitously is a personal attack even if it's true. It's gratuitous if it's unnecessary to the issue at hand. In this case, Joe could have simply reported the post, and his issue would have been resolved. Calling me a liar to boot was unnecessary. Similarly, your insinuation is also gratuitous because the thread has already been moved, the issue you raise is not appropriate for the thread, and Morrus has specifically asked that it not be discussed further.

People, there's a link to the Circus Maximus Bash-Justin thread above. If you want to have your fun, go there and post away. I'll ask again, listen to Morrus, please stay on topic.
 
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OK, clearly I'm invisible. I'll go with the explanation that several people in this thread have inexplicably all managed to not see my post above rather than the alternative, which is that those people simply ignored me.

I'd close the thread, but that would play into the hands of one side of the argument. The thread was moved by a moderator, it is now in the correct forum, so drop the subject, please.

So: next person to raise the subject of "pimping", which forum things should be in, Circvs Maximvs, etc. gets a 3 day ban. And anyone who complains about being banned because "someone else started it" or "I was just replying/defending myself/whatever" will find the ban turn into a 3 week one.
 

Morrus said:
OK, clearly I'm invisible. I'll go with the explanation that several people in this thread have inexplicably all managed to not see my post above rather than the alternative, which is that those people simply ignored me.

My apologies. I did read it, but then as I carried on reading through the thread proceeded to completely forget about it. I then re-noticed it just now as I was scrolling down, realised it was *before* my post, and thought: "Oh s**t!"

Anyway, I'll cease discussion as requested.
 


Justin D. Jacobson said:
No need to worry. While I wrote the post, Lee Hammock wrote the book; I think his record speaks for himself.

I've read two of Lee's products, one is absolutely top-flight (like 5 star because that's the maximum I can give), and one is a bottom scraper (like--if I was feeling generous--1 star).

So his record is....irregular, with possibility of brilliance then? Is that fair?

My experience with your work, Justin, is universally positive (Poisoncraft is maybe the finest 'opening salvo' of an moderb era RPG career I can recall...second only--oddly--to Magical Medieval Society: Western Europe in my mind) .
 
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