Is Mike Mearls Happy Hour still a thing?

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gyor

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I love how you're calling people who are mildly insulting on Twitter "thugs" and yet my friend gets death threats and people like you are saying nothing at all. Funny that.
I oppose death threats 110% and I hope your friend goes to police and gets justice.

But Mearls didn't issue said threat. Some of us miss hearing from Mearls, and wish folks would leave him alone so he can start doing his happy hour again.
 

Ruin Explorer

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I oppose death threats 110% and I hope your friend goes to police and gets justice.
She did, and one of the people was so extreme that, for once, the police might actually take action (he was making specific terroristic threats). Most people don't get that kind of action though, the police typically ignore or dismiss it, often belittling the victim in the process.

But Mearls didn't issue said threat. Some of us miss hearing from Mearls, and wish folks would leave him alone so he can start doing his happy hour again.
Mearls didn't get threatened like that either, AFAIK. Mearls got some snippy comments and rudeness, after lying about something he shouldn't have lied about, and seemingly passing information on to a scumbag. Those were bad actions on his part and some consequences should, morally at least, follow.

The idea that he's off Twitter because people won't "leave him alone" has no basis in fact. He's been off so long, that you can no longer claim that there's even a connection. He's not "being harassed" present-tense on social media. He was mildly insulted and sneered at for a while quite some time ago.

At this point his exile is completely and entirely self-imposed. You want to hear from him? That's on him. Blaming other people for his self-imposed Twitter exile is completely irrational special pleading, that you wouldn't apply for other people in the same position. It's up to Mearls to stop hiding out, not up to imaginary people to stop imaginary harassment.

To be completely honest, I strongly suspect he was bored of Happy Hour, and that part of the reason he hasn't brought it back is that it was a hell of a lot of work, and his job now is probably considerably more demanding than it previously was. If he goes back on Twitter, yes, he has the risk people are like "Oh this dick!", but he also has people like you, who will be leaping at him like Labradors left alone for 12 hours (or 30 minutes... bloody creatures!), going "WHEN MORE HAPPY HOUR!??!?!?!" over and over. And I feel like he's the sort of person who hates to say no.
 

Mistwell

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This is a pretty silly comparison dude.
Thank you for restating the obvious - which is why I said "for an extreme example". Was your clue the death penalty for stepping on an ant? Did I need a smiley face to make it extra special clear it was silly?

Mearls lied about something serious and his "punishment" was self-imposed Twitter exile.
Well I disagree that's what the punishment is in this instance. Indeed, that's a rather self-serving view you just proposed which somehow doesn't involve anything you or anyone else does concerning this topic.

That sounds exactly like he got off lightly if anything.
And what should be the punishment? That's why I posted the President Obama bit above.
 

Ruin Explorer

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And what should be the punishment? That's why I posted the President Obama bit above.
Obama was talking off-the-cuff, and made a slightly silly and sadly Boomer-ish comment which has been widely mocked because it demonstrates a lack of understanding and meaning, not actual wisdom. It's not "insightful" or "meaningful" or "clever" - most particularly it's nothing new. Just a lot of right-wingers have boners for the comment because a centre-right black dude (by my country's standards) dude said it (I understand he is centre-left by US standards but if he was in the UK he'd be in our Conservative party, policy-wise, no doubt), who is only nearly 60, rather than a 65+ white dude who is clearly on the right.

As for "what should the punishment be", well I'm glad you think I possess the Solomonic wisdom to help you out here, and for lying to people and passing information on to a sex offender so that said sex offender and his buddies could better harass the people involved? Well in an ideal world it would probably be at least formal admission of what you did, followed by a public apology, neither of which Mearls has given. In many companies he'd have been fired (because the company was involved) - I don't know if that's necessary, but him being promoted is pretty funny in all the senses of funny.

He went the coward's route instead and decided to simply hide out until people forgot. That's fine. That's an alternative strategy. But at this point, he's no longer "being punished" by even the remotest sense of the word. It's like if someone gets a 2-week suspension on a message board or something, and actually doesn't post again for six months, or maybe ever. That's on them.

I mean, the stuff Mearls was saying in 2014 was stuff like this:


Which is just totally messed-up, because he's actively discrediting people that it later turned out definitely were victims (and that WotC has acknowledged as such), and sneering at them and calling them "emotional", which he knows perfectly well is a shit thing to call a woman accusing someone of sexual abuse, particularly. And he's done things like this:


Which is sleazy at best. And he issued a limp non-apology.

I mean, congrats guys, you all have managed to remind me that Mearls actually was pretty rubbish here! The ironic thing is, Mearls would be literally better off without this thread. You guys complaining about his "harassment" have done a better job bringing this back up and giving him a reason to stay off Twitter than the supposed harassers.
 
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Honestly i could care less if someone of ill repute is credited in a game book. If they had good suggestions and bettered the game that is literally all that matters. If he was real and his influence bore any coherence to the actual pop culture about him and his legions (and i think we can all say said pop culture had an enriching effect on d&d) id give a credit to satan himself for influencing the lore of the game. Im not forced to play at a table with him. A name credit is just that. Credit. And aparently jak s is due credit. I gladly grant him it if its the case.
 
I oppose death threats 110% and I hope your friend goes to police and gets justice.

But Mearls didn't issue said threat. Some of us miss hearing from Mearls, and wish folks would leave him alone so he can start doing his happy hour again.
People need to stop being so posessively controlling is what it boils down to. And they need to stop being busy bodies.
 

jayoungr

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a dude who messed up taking a break from the internet.
I've been reading the arguments of both sides with interest, and I may regret getting involved in this conversation, but I am curious about something. Assuming that Mike Mearls is 100% guilty of everything he's been accused of, at what point, if any, should he return to social media? Or if there's something else he needs to do first, what is it? (I see you mention a public apology above; is that the extent of it, or is there more?) Basically, how does he "pay his debt to society" in this situation?
 
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SkidAce

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This is a pretty silly comparison dude. Mearls lied about something serious and his "punishment" was self-imposed Twitter exile.

That sounds exactly like he got off lightly if anything.
How do we know it was self-imposed? (not debating the larger issue, but he may have been ordered offline, which would be a punishment cause I'm sure he enjoyed communicating about D&D with the public.)
 
In a legal context exactly what would his crimes be listed objectively? Not believing people and telling them he believed the wrong guy? Thats a lot of things but not a "crime". Even if you find it contemptable, again, not a crime. There are other actions he took to to be sure. But before "punishing" someone, we should probably consider which crimes exactly he committed.
 

Morrus

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In a legal context exactly what would his crimes be listed objectively? Not believing people and telling them he believed the wrong guy? Thats a lot of things but not a "crime". Even if you find it contemptable, again, not a crime. There are other actions he took to to be sure. But before "punishing" someone, we should probably consider which crimes exactly he committed.
What are you referring to? Mike Mearls has not been accused of criminal behaviour, or been criminally punished in any way. To my knowledge nobody has been fined or imprisoned. Why would you apply criminal proceedings to (apparent) social consequences?
 
What are you referring to? Mike Mearls has not been accused of criminal behaviour, or been criminally punished in any way. To my knowledge nobody has been fined or imprisoned. Why would you apply criminal proceedings to (apparent) social consequences?
Thats kind of my point.
 

Salthorae

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Sorry mate, I feel like this isn't good faith on your part so I won't be interacting with it. If it is good faith you have my apologies but it's not worth it because 95 people out of 100 saying stuff like this are bad faith actors. Also the dude is in self-imposed Twitter exile, not the subject of death threats or something.

A friend of mine got multiple threats of murder and rape for protesting Chick-fil-a (or whatever it's called) when they came to the UK, and appearing in one interview, and so it's incredibly hard to take you people seriously about this.
How is my question not good faith? I asked a serious question. I'm not asking you to "engage". I'm asking you a question to answer. "Engage" seems like such a loaded word here, like I'm trying to trick or trap you in some nefarious way. I'm not that clever.

All I see online are people repeating this accusation that Mearls passed on a list of people's names to this person, and I've seen zero proof that he did anything of the sort.

I asked you, since you seem so sure in your convictions, for what makes you so sure? That isn't bad faith.

Look up the thread, I literally just posted that I'd missed this entire situation flaring up. Then when I post after having looked and read more asking for some actual proof of the things that people toss around, you accuse me of being a bad faith actor? Come on.

If you're sure, tell me why, in detail. Take it into a private conversation if you want to not have the public back and forth with others chiming in.

I've seen those pictures you posted above a few times, and while it looks bad, from what I understand he has made personal apologies to those named in that screen shot.

The real bad thing he is accused of, of passing names/lists so that the harasser could more effectively harass... no one seems to be able to back that one up?

Anyway... his social media "exile", self or WotC imposed is one that I would take too if it looked like there was any sort of groundswell online against me as a semi-public figure.

Your friend's horrible situation is exactly WHY, I would do the same as Mearls and ghost the social media platforms if any whiff of something like this stirred up for me. I wouldn't want it to GET to the level of receiving death threats. Leave when it's just starting to brew.
 

gyor

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This is a pretty silly comparison dude. Mearls lied about something serious and his "punishment" was self-imposed Twitter exile.

That sounds exactly like he got off lightly if anything.



The sheer amount of complaining you're doing about a guy who is in self-imposed Twitter exile (OH NO!!!) is absolutely bloody staggering. You're basically claiming the downfall of Western civilization because a dude lied about a serious matter, then decided to hide out from social media. It's pretty lame.



Sorry mate, I feel like this isn't good faith on your part so I won't be interacting with it. If it is good faith you have my apologies but it's not worth it because 95 people out of 100 saying stuff like this are bad faith actors. Also the dude is in self-imposed Twitter exile, not the subject of death threats or something.

A friend of mine got multiple threats of murder and rape for protesting Chick-fil-a (or whatever it's called) when they came to the UK, and appearing in one interview, and so it's incredibly hard to take you people seriously about this.
If it makes you feel any better once I learned that Chick-fil-a funds lobbyists trying to pass a death sentenced for gay people Uganda, I will never give them my business, so the Toronto Franchise that just opened up with get no business from me and they should be banned from Canada as far as I'm concerned.
 

Ruin Explorer

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Then when I post after having looked and read more asking for some actual proof of the things that people toss around, you accuse me of being a bad faith actor? Come on.
I'm saying nine times in ten, when someone says what you said, in a thread like this (not out of the blue), about stuff that's pretty easy to find if you just Google, they're doing to either waste the time of the other person, or to try and argue minutiae. You see it all the time in transgender stuff, where some dude is like "I'm open-minded but you need to convince me transgender is real and also tell me all the juicy deets!". It's like, no, sod off. Do your own research you so and so! The other one time in ten, you're the dude in the office I have to literally explain how to Google things to (no reflection on intelligence or seniority, I've had to help twenty-something Oxbridge grads and sixty-something senior partners!). I was going to say you were bad at Google but I just realized I may be the odd one out as I often find things other people can't and/or get asked for help with this. I've worked in knowledge & research though and I'm not really interested in doing a report/dossier outside a professional context because it takes a while and people love to argue minutiae. Like, with people online, you post six good sources, and one okay one, and they don't want to talk about the six good ones, only the other one. It's very demoralizing in regards to doing research for people.

Anyway if you need clarity - I'm not calling you a bad faith actor. I'm saying you walked in wearing the same hat they usually wear! I hope you feel better! If not let me know! :)

I ended up putting one of the more damning tweets in a post anyway (which also links to another pretty bad one), you can see it right there. Dude was explicitly dismissing the victims and giving them the full "emotional women!" dismissal, like this was the 1990s, or something, back in 2014. Whether Mearls actually passed on the actual information of the accusers to Zak S (probably like a dope, rather than an malicious dude), or just spoke to Zak S about it remains a question only they will ever know the answer to, but it was certainly one or the other and neither is a great look. He shouldn't even have been in contact with him (it's literally not his job and they supposedly aren't friends). Legal messed up too because they should have cut Mearls out here, as soon as accusations came out, rather than letting him do damage. I guess they were on holiday?

I should also be clear that design-wise, and in a lot of other ways, Mearls was my favourite D&D guy (behind Zeb Cook but he's been away for decades) so it pains me to see this. I've long-hoped he'd just make a proper apology (not that weird non-apology about WotC's position) and come back. I'm not someone who wants to see him condemned to the outer darkness forever, but I do think unless he does a mea culpa and apologises, he's probably going to just keep hiding out, which is lame.
 

GameOgre

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has not been accused of criminal behaviour

Same can be said of Zak Smith. It is something to dismiss if a crime occurs and someone goes online to report it. You want to be taken seriously go to the police. Reporting it to a silly audience is a reason to ignore it all by itself.

As far as I am aware. the only person charged in a court case over the matter isn't Zak but his X-Girlfriend and that isn't even a criminal case.

Edited- see below for why.

So the funny thing is. Mike Mearls did nothing wrong but is so leftist in his beliefs he let it cancel himself anyway.

I like Mike, wish him all the best.
 
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Dannyalcatraz

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@GameOgre

First things first: if you think the left is the only political orientation that uses “cancel culture” as you call it, you might want to talk to the Dixie Chicks, people in the LGBTQ community, and those targeted by the Satanic Panic for starters. See also how Rock & Roll was initially received in America. Or book bans/burnings.

For good or ill, boycotting & protesting, etc. have been around a long time, and people of all political valences use it.

Second, politics in general- especially political rock throwing, mud-slinging and name-calling- is not allowed here. Don’t do it again.
 
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