Is Simulacrum subject to abuse?

TheGog

Then what happens to its abilities based on type. Such as the deva's Protection aura thingy that angels get which is a type does it lose them. Is it truly a duplicate if it does not have its type which grants it certain advantages and disadvantages. So maybe a duplicate fire elemental loses its cold vulnerability becuase it is an illusion and not of the fire subtype any longer. I worry taht causes as many problems as it solves if it loses its type.

I'm mostly playing devil's advocate and not really sure which side of the fence I am on in this one.

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Shallown said:
GS

It takes a duplicate it doesn't say that it changes its type so If I make a Golumn (which is a constuct) then I can heal it with repair spells. No where does it say what the creatures type is or becomes. if I made a duplicate of the caster (Which I think is the main focus for the spell in the past) then would they not be humaniod anymore. (if hey were to begin with) and if not does the spell actually say that. Ie what is descriptive and what is actual changes to the new duplicate?

Sorry I didn't use more examples but I didn't think people would read more than one. :)

I'm sure some one would be upset that I made a deva but I could make other hings. Mayhaps that was not the best example.


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Actually I'm going to change my opinion on this. I previously stated that I thought you should be able to use the repair spells to remove damage from a simulacrum, IF the simulacrum was a duplicate of a COnstruct.

Now I think about, it is still NOT a construct. Only a duplicate which may only be healed through the method listed in the spell description.

If the intention to let it keep its type and be affected by healing spells, it would not have gone out of the way to avoid mentioning type, nor would it have included a hyper-expensive curing system, because no one would bother to cure their simulacrum that way, if it could be cured by a cure light wounds or three. The same argument (IMO) extends to simulacra duplicates of Constructs.
 


Simulacrum is a neat idea for a spell, but the spell description and effect is a mess. You should have seen the thread here a while back about making Dragon simulacrum. And to answer your first question, yes, the spell can be abused.

Short of creating a simulacrum of a critter with fast healing, you need to pay the expensive cost for repairing your simulacrum.

A simulacrum is a spell effect. It is a partially real illusion of a critter. So it effectively has a creature type and all of its abilities, and is treated like a creature for most purposes (healing and advancement are two of the biggies, which the spell covers). The damage it does is real. As it is a spell effect, you can also dispel it.
 

Icey

As far as healing goes I already covered that. ;)

I'm pretty sure you can't dispel it becuase it is instantaneous and has no duration. Once made it is made.

PS Missed the thread on making dragons. I looked at making a 13 hit die dragon didn't seem like much compared to some things like the deva.

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I have seen simulacrum threads before but ignored them because I wasn't interested at the time. I for one appreciate this thread, even if the topic was heavily covered before, just so my eyes are (more) open to it now. While I'm not positive it would be abused by the archmage in my group, it probably could be and at least now I'll be forewarned to look for potential disasters. More than likely though, the player will just not use it because it would just create too many problems and end up detracting from the story (game). I might use it as an NPC thing, but it would definitely by controlled by me (the DM) and therefore most of the issues would be easily resolved beforehand.
 

Shallown said:
Icey

As far as healing goes I already covered that. ;)

It never hurts to be thorough. :)

Shallown said:
I'm pretty sure you can't dispel it becuase it is instantaneous and has no duration.

Good point, I missed that. So a Simulacrum isn't dispellable.

Shallown said:
PS Missed the thread on making dragons. I looked at making a 13 hit die dragon didn't seem like much compared to some things like the deva.

That argument was more about what age category a simulacrum dragon was. Since age category is determined off of hit dice, and a simulacrum has half the hit dice of the original ...
 

Is Simulacrum subject to abuse?


It sure can be. In the past I had a player decide to use a bit of the Tarresque as a component for the simulacrum spell.

How'd he get the bits you ask? Well, shrinking himself, putting himself in a resiliant sphere and dangling in front of the tarresque like bait on a fish hook was a start. Once swallowed the staff of power became very useful...reckess but useful. He was able to survive, grab some parts of the BLOWD up Tarresque (which was still kicking) and F*ck off before It got him.

It worked so well for him that he decided to use the remaining parts that he acquired from the Tarresque to make more. :confused:

needless to say I didn't like the spell anymore...unless I was playing. :D
 

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