Is the Fighter’s Combat Challenge an Opportunity Attack?

[Danceofmasks]

Or if the triggered effects are controlled by both players, in which case the player whose turn it is gets first opportunity?
Hmm ... I think this one may have changed since I last played MtG.

 

[Nikosandros]

Combat Superiority gives additional Opportunity Attacks equal to WIS modifier score.

Combat superiority gives a bonus to attack rolls during OA equal to the wis modifier, it doesn't grant additional OAs.

 

[Nahat Anoj]

I’m making my first fighter and noticed something new (to me). These are two separate attack types. I needed to calculate two attack bonuses for Opportunity Attacks and Combat Challenge attacks because the fighter feats don’t apply to OA’s, just CC. On top of that a recent issue with immediate actions made something else catch my eye.


Opportunity attacks are not Immediate Actions, since they can be take for each creature that provokes them and are not limited to one per round. Combat Challenge is an Immediate action, so therefore it’s not an Opportunity attack? This would mean that a fighter does not add his wisdom bonus Combat Superiority to Combat Challenge attacks.

This is correct.

Likewise the general feats like Blade Opportunist or Combat Reflexes would not benefit Combat Challenge attacks.

Correct.

If all this is right, wouldn’t a fighter with a marked opponent take an Opportunity Attack for the target making a ranged attack AND make a Combat Challenge attack for attacking someone else?

Yes, this is correct, by the way I read the rules.

Same if they shifted first and get stopped by CC, then do something else that would normally provoke an OA.

CC doesn't *stop* their shift. But if they shift, you get a CC attack, and if they make, say, a ranged attack you get or OA.

Taking the Immediate Action rules (PH268) into account, a Fighter that marks several targets can only take the special Combat Challenge attacks for shifting or attacking someone other than you against one of them. He can still take normal opportunity attacks against each foe that provoke them like making ranged attacks in melee.

Yes, this is correct.

 

[Nahat Anoj]

However, comparing the text for the Distracting Shield and Potent Challenge feats with their table entries on the next page, even the WotC design team didn't follow this consistently.

I don't understand what you mean here. Distracting Shield gives opponents a -2 to attacks when the fighter hits with his CC attack (and *not* OAs). Potent Challenge just lets the fighter add Con damage on a CC hit (again, *not* OAs) made with a two-handed weapon. Could you clarify?

A fighter adjacent to a marked opponent who made a ranged attack against someone else could only make one reaction to that trigger. edit: Apart from anything else, otherwise he would get two actions simultaneously, which is physically impossible if his chosen actions were to attack with the same weapon.

Not at all. He makes two lightning quick swings. He's not some chump - he's a D&D fighter!

If the question is which one goes off first, the OA or the CC attack, I'd say just let the player decide. It's more fun for them that way.

 

[keterys]

While it's definitely not an OA, part of me has started to wish it was so that the fighter in my group would stop getting confused about it. It feels like almost every time it triggers I have to explain the difference.

 

[Snotboy]

Same if they shifted first and get stopped by CC, then do something else that would normally provoke an OA.

CC doesn't *stop* their shift. But if they shift, you get a CC attack, and if they make, say, a ranged attack you get or OA.

I was going to correct this, then realized I would be wrong, and this didn't need correcting--but I will add a clarifying detail:

According to page 76, under Combat Superiority:
"An enemy struck by your opportunity attack stops moving, if a move provoked the attack"

A shift by a marked adjacent target would trigger Combat Challenge, and the fighter would make a basic attack, which does not stop the move as an opportunity attack would.

 

[Dracorat]

An immediate interrupt is its own attack and not an OA.

A person making a ranged attack beside the fighter and shifting in to that position well get both.

They would have been better served to have just moved and taken an OA, but only the OA.

 

[Caliban]

An immediate interrupt is its own attack and not an OA.

A person making a ranged attack beside the fighter and shifting in to that position well get both.

They would have been better served to have just moved and taken an OA, but only the OA.

Except if the fighter hits them with his OA, their movement is negated and they are still adjacent to the fighter.

 

[Dracorat]

Yes they are, but then the fighter can't take an OA for them using a ranged weapon beside them, so they're still better off.

 

[Snotboy]

Yes they are, but then the fighter can't take an OA for them using a ranged weapon beside them, so they're still better off.

Correct. If the enemy just sits there and makes a ranged attack at someone other than the fighter, the fighter gets to swat him twice--once from CC for making an attack not including the fighter, and once for making a ranged attack adjacent to the fighter.

A better strategy would be to shift away from the fighter, eat the CC attack, which does not stop their movement, and make his ranged attack in a spot which does not provoke an OA.

If he 'Moves' away from the fighter, he takes the risk of getting hit with an OA, which would stop his movement while he's still adjacent to the fighter. But this time, if he were to make a ranged attack against a target other than the fighter, the fighter doesn't get to make a second OA against him, only the CC attack.

In any case, sucks to be him.