Is The Forum Getting More Antagonistic?

[Waller]

Sure, here you go.

One person. Who it turns out is still here. Next?

Cite?

Sure, here you go.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

One person. Who it turns out is still here. Next?



Sure, here you go.

I would very much appreciate you NOT citing me for you pet project.

Given that you do not know any of the background, why I chose to leave, what conversations ensued, why I am back currently, or how I feel.

Or, put another way, if you are want to know if things are antagonistic, you are close to finding out.

 

[Alzrius]

One person. Who it turns out is still here. Next?

If you think it's just one person, you don't seem to have read the entire thread.

Sure, here you go.

See? Not just one person.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

There's report

not for everyone

and ignore functions?

and this leads (because it doesn't just ignore one way) to whole threads having responses that make no sense... I have twice in the last few months responded to someone who I THOUGHT was responding to me since they were right under me, but they responded to someone who has me blocked, and as such I was 'picking a fight' I didn't need to.

Things you learn.

there are pros and cons to both, and using either too much seems to be as bad as not useing them

 

[payn]

This is especially true when the mods become confrontational, flippant, or snarky when posting with the colored text, because then any response is cited as being "confronting moderation" or "discussing moderation in public," and the poster is immediately punished for that, with no recognition of the fact that the mods themselves were engaging in action that, from anyone else, wouldn't be allowed.

The usual response to that is, "well, then you should contact the mods privately," which misses the point. If someone is impugned in public, the remedy for that needs to be done publicly as well. Otherwise, as far as everyone else is concerned, the mods can apparently abuse their status freely, with no accountability to the community they ostensibly serve.

I agree and wish moderation was all button up business.
"X is off topic/inappropriate please do not discuss further"
"You were asked not to do X. You can no longer post in this thread"
"You were asked several times not to do X. You are now banned for 1 week"

Much of the time it is exactly as above, but occasionally it gets personal. Leave out any talk of filling out bingo cards, eating snickers, or whatever digs you want to take out on folks during moderation please.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

You could,( but in my opinion), it's a bit silly to think adults need to clarify that they're stating an opinion.

in the last year I have been told at least half a dozen times (most likely more) "Hey that's just your opinion and it doesn't matter" at least once when I started with IMO... like yeah, that's all we all have.

and that is before people state that someone else has to PROVE something with hard facts, and I have even had the Mods tell me that it is my duty to provide FACTs about things... that none of us (unless someone is secretly in possession of divination magic) has a way to prove or show.

My favorite is when people say that WotC say that 5e outsold 4e and we HAVE to beleive them, but when others point out "then when wotc said 4e out sold 3e and 3e out sold 2e (and even 3.5 out sold 3e and 4e out sold 3.5) that we can't "prove that wasn't spin" like wait you take the same source we do but yours gets a pass???

the 'opinion' thing is like 98% of what we talk about.

Heck, just something like "I have never seen X" sometimes gets "You have to PROVE that" like it's something that can be factual proveing.

I don't know about everyone here, but when I was a wee lad in grade school we had lessons on the differences between factual statements and opinions. I had to take a test and everything and I'm not really bothered when I see someone make a blanket statement like, "D&D is a great rules set for a campaign featuring a lot of subtle political intrigue." I disagree vehemently with that opinion, but it doesn't offend me. You probably get a lot of pushback because we'd have to write "In my opinion" before almost every single post here, because, you know, most of what we discuss are just opinions.

exactly... there are some of us (I would say 3-4ish groups) that are playing similar but different games, and even when we try to talk about them people shout down others with what is 'the right way to play'

Okay, well, forget about the imagination and just accept that people have different opinions and it's usually nothing to get upset about even if it's radically different from our own.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Cite?

This (and other threads) make it very clear you have beef with the staff here, because you're all over every thread like this, but one loud person doesn't equate to 'general erosion'. Honestly, I think they do an incredible job and this is one of the least toxic places on the web, despite any general increase in antagonism here and elsewhere.

So let's see your figures -- show us this 'general erosion of trust in this site's mods', because it sure as heck ain't shared by me.

hey look at that... someone posted opinions and then someone else is asking for a citation on an opinion.

 

[Morrus]

So this thread is certainly getting antagonistic. Calm it down, please, people, or it'll get closed.

 

[beancounter]

You could,( but in my opinion), it's a bit silly to think adults need to clarify that they're stating an opinion.

Okay, well, forget about the imagination and just accept that people have different opinions and it's usually nothing to get upset about even if it's radically different from our own.

Well qualifying language is often necessary in the era of easily offended people.

I often wonder what the catalyst was for this "easily offended" mindset.

 

[beancounter]

Pretty much this. People who disagree with a mod's personal opinion are very likely to think twice about expressing their disagreement, and may decide to hold their tongue. That could lead to frustration, and possibly to more passive-aggressive posting.

Yep...