Is the Tratnyr underpowered?

[Rechan]

All the Ranger powers are Str (melee) and Dex (ranged). There's no Str (Ranged). None of the Ranger's powers work with a Heavy Thrown weapon.

Thus, a heavy thrown weapon is only usable with a basic attack for a ranger.

 

[Mort_Q]

There are some [Arena Fighting] feats that make a Shield & Tratnyr Fighter more interesting, including an at-will reach attack, and a free heavy thrown attack option.

 

[Nifft]

It's a very interesting weapon for the Bard, who just got a bunch of ranged weapon powers in Arcane Power.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Turtlejay]

Thread necromancy!?!

You could have that argument for any number of weapons. To me it boils down to this core thing that seems to be bugging a number of people.

It is the X is overpowered and Y is underpowered arguments that I don't like. Should everything be balanced 100%? Should everyone just roll a d20 sans modifiers and hit on a 10 or over, and do 3.5 damage? Why roll? We could average out what the average player does and just apply it. Why have combats then, the DM could just email us a story.

There are a number of options in this game that are out of synch with the norm. Either a little (or a lot!) better, of worse. This is fine with me, since not every single person is going to play them. Just like this thread condemned the Tratnyr early on as sub-par, and I have seen them in use, other threads have touted the brokenness of other items/powers/feats and they are often passed over.

Sorry for the ill worded rant, but at least I feel better now.

Jay

 

[Pierson_Lowgal]

There are some [Arena Fighting] feats that make a Shield & Tratnyr Fighter more interesting, including an at-will reach attack, and a free heavy thrown attack option.

Correct! There is a cleave-arena-fighting feat that allows a throw attack instead of the damage to an adjacent target. That allows two marks on an at-will for sword-and-board users. Also, its a Dragonborn spear that works with draconic arrogance and all the other spear feats.

 

[Skallgrim]

Correct! There is a cleave-arena-fighting feat that allows a throw attack instead of the damage to an adjacent target. That allows two marks on an at-will for sword-and-board users. Also, its a Dragonborn spear that works with draconic arrogance and all the other spear feats.

Agreed. Put this one handed spear on a dragonborn with a shield, Tide of Iron, Draconic Arrogance, Draeven Marauder, and the plethora of feats that help you push and knock prone your opponent. Proceed to knock everything you fight down, push it away, and do your STR to them, twice (once for pushing, once for proning, plus the original hit).

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

All the Ranger powers are Str (melee) and Dex (ranged). There's no Str (Ranged). None of the Ranger's powers work with a Heavy Thrown weapon.

As far as I see, they work with it - but they still use Dexterity, not Strength.

 

[karolusb]

I tend to lean towards them being underpowered. And to some degree yes, when you create an economy, and release something into it it is fair to contemplate it's value.

I have played around with the spear and shield fighter concept (using the cleave to throw feat), at the end of the day I am not sure that increasing the thrown range compared to a trident is worth the feat, it certainly wouldn't be a no brainer.

Taking a look at my prospective build I would grab tratnyr at 8 (but I am not sure it wold be better than a stock feat like toughness) but would certainly sell it back at 11, and likely wouldn't bother to grab it again until I ran out of good options in the high teens.

Since this is at best an obscure build, the best build I can possibly come up with for taking this feat, and the feat is niether integral nor optimal for it, I am inclined to say meh.

 

[FDM]

My dragonborn warden uses it because it's fun. I agree that it may be underpowered but not THAT underpowered; I haven't felt outclassed by the other members of the party. If you just like the thought of using a weapon that looks like a harpoon, go for it. It is the best heavy thrown weapon and that can be nice if you don't want to invest your gold in both a magic melee weapon and a magic heavy thrown weapon.

 

[DracoSuave]

Niche weapon is niche. Can't really base it on more than that.

It's a heavy thrown weapon with the range of Magic Missile that can take melee-weapon based magic enhancement.

The value of that is entirely up to the player and whether Grasping Tratnyr +2 appeals to what a Fighter or Paladin or Warden wants in a ranged back-up weapon.