Is this correct? <Forge of Fury spoiler warning>

[vic20]

In Nightscale's "Tactics" section, the second paragraph begins:

"In the following round, Nightscale climbs up on the ledge behind the party (a move-equivilent action) and then executes a partial charge to attack a character in the rear of the party with her bite, claws, and wings."

I thought that a creature had to take a Full Attack to use all of its natural weapons, which only allows a 5-ft step. What am I missing, or is this just an early 'bug' in a core module?

Thanks for the light,
Vic20

 

[LordAO]

You are correct, a creature using more than one attack must make a full round action to do so. I think its just telling you that that is what it does in the following round(s). They usually explain the creatures tactics when they are presented in the book, I don't think it was an intentional error. I would just have the creature move up and make one attack, then multiple attacks on the following rounds.

 

[Henrix]

Unless of corse the creature has Pounce ability (like a tiger), or similar.

[Edit]
Oh, and you cannot, ever, take first a move action and then a partial charge.
You can only take a partial action when you are not allowed to take a full action.
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[Dr. Zoom]

That about covers it. As written, it is an error. You cannot make more than one attack unless you execute a full attack, and you cannot take a MEA and a partial charge. I just ignored the tactics section when I ran this encounter and used my own.

 

[Macbrea]

That about covers it. As written, it is an error. You cannot make more than one attack unless you execute a full attack, and you cannot take a MEA and a partial charge. I just ignored the tactics section when I ran this encounter and used my own.

Are you sure you cannot take a MEA and ready a partial charge in the same straight line that you took the MEA?


Example: I move upto the bridge and Ready a partial charge if something steps on the bridge. Seems a perfectly logical move to me.


That is a MEA and a readied action, of a partial charge.

 

[Henrix]

Example: I move upto the bridge and Ready a partial charge if something steps on the bridge. Seems a perfectly logical move to me.

That is a MEA and a ready action (a standard action), which is allowed. The readied action is a partial action.

But you cannot take a partial action during your turn, if you're allowed a full action.

 

[Tony Vargas]

The actions described would take three round:

Round one, climb up the ledge,

Round two, charge,

Round three, full attack.


The reasons being, of course, that your movement on the round you charge must all be in a straight line, and that you need a full attack action to make more than a single attack.

 

[Dr. Zoom]

Are you sure you cannot take a MEA and ready a partial charge in the same straight line that you took the MEA?


Example: I move upto the bridge and Ready a partial charge if something steps on the bridge. Seems a perfectly logical move to me.


That is a MEA and a readied action, of a partial charge.

I was responding only to the written tactics for Nightscale in Forge of Fury.

You may, as a standard action, take a move or MEA, and then ready a partial charge. You must continue in a straight line if you moved already. But that is not what those tactics in FoF say.

 

[Caliber]

Could you ready an action that would go off right after you ready it? "If I see an enemy" or something along those lines? Thus performing a partial action in place of a standard?

 

[vic20]

Thanks all. I'm relieved that I haven't been totally wrong in my handling of full attacks & natural weapons.

The encounter with Nightscale ended two adventuring careers last night, although the dragon didn't resort to the rules abuse discussed in this thread. I witnessed some of the worst (ok, *the* worst) player rolls yet in my campaign. 3/4 players failed DC 6 climb rolls. 3/4 players rolled 1 for initiative in the critical battle. One player, running along the slick stone bank, rolled a 2 for Balance, followed by a 2 Reflex Save, and ended up in the water, where his first two swim rolls were 2s. Ugly....