Is this legal

[s-dub]

Suppose I create a dwarven ranger with the two weapon fighting option.

If I

Take the Durable feat
Take the Dwarven Durability Racial Feat

Will I get an extra 4 healing surges or only 2?

 

[GorTeX]

no, as the bonus surges are both feat bonuses, and thus do not stack.


---Edit. I was wrong. You would get 4 extra healing surges this way, as they are not typed in any way, and thus stack.

 

[abyssaldeath]

Looks like you get 4.

Do the books actually classify the bonuses a feat bonuses? I only have access to the compendium at the moment. I ask because unless the feat actually calls it a feat bonus the bonus is unnamed and there for stacks.

 

[sukael]

They would stack, in this case. This may be an oversight... or it may be intentional, given that Dwarven Durability is a paragon-tier feat.

 

[Bison]

I hope this is leagal, as the fighter I am playing in our new 4E game is going this route (he is a warhammer wielding fighter that I plan to inc con an str at every opportunity). Looks to make him one hard to kill defender

Edit: and the books just say "gain two extra healing surges" so they are definatly untyped

 

[keterys]

There's nothing wrong with it - at a certain point, surges only help so much.

 

[Bison]

There's nothing wrong with it - at a certain point, surges only help so much.

thats true, but more than the surges, adding con bonus to your surge value will be very nice for a character that has a high con.

 

[keterys]

Oh, absolutely - dwarven durability rocks.

I'm not sure I'd feel a need to have both, though.

 

[Bison]

Oh, absolutely - dwarven durability rocks.

I'm not sure I'd feel a need to have both, though.

unfortunately you have to, toughness and durability are pre-recs

 

[s-dub]

My plan was to come up with a build that's competitive against the ranger multiclassed to pitfighter build by staying ranger and going for pathfinder (another 2 healing surges). I'd be missing out a little on damage due to not getting wis to damage but would be extemely durable.

Since I've not actually played more than a bit of playtesting (my friends don't want to leave 3.5 yet) I have no idea if this will play out in combat.