It's Almost the Season for WOTC layoff!

[czak]

Some good news for Stephen Radney-MacFarland who was laid off last year:

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[renau1g]

I just don't see the Intern system as a whole as being an appropriate model. Not on a left/ right political level, but as making mid- to long-term sense.

Internships are common in hard to get into industries (like ad agencies for example) because it's an investment in your future. Just like college/university. You pay $50k + a few years of schooling and not working (or whatever) for school hoping that your investment will pay off.

People pay for experience and many times in the real world once people get their training and experience at a company they just jump ship to a larger or more lucrative job. The companies that actually spend lots of time training these employees should have some benefit rather than just a cost of their own time to get someone up to speed just to see them leave.

 

[renau1g]

And overall customer satisfaction levels and quality of product at a low. It's improving....but I don't think anyone can claim that use of layoffs helped them.

Quality is not at a low. Consumer perspective of quality is. Cadillac is the third best in the IQS while Ford is just behind Toyota.

"Even so, Chrysler’s, Ford’s and GM’s domestic brands have improved in initial quality by an average of 10 percent compared with 2008, surpassing the 8 percent rate of improvement by the industry overall, which is a step in the right direction."

Lexus Tops J.D. Power Initial Quality Study - MSN Autos

Also, in the 3 year quality rating system, Buick is tied with Lexus, Lincoln and Porsche according to the 2010 Vehicle Dependability Study.

Ratings | J.D. Power

Additionally, 2010 Automotive Performance Execution and Layout (APEAL) (Identifies owner delight with the design and performance of their new vehicles.) shows that Buick and Cadillac are amongst the highest ratings. (http://www.jdpower.com/autos/rating...nd/sortcolumn-1/descending/page-/#page-anchor)


Not that imports are bad, but I'm pretty tired of people spouting misinformation about automakers.

 

[nedjer]

Internships are common in hard to get into industries (like ad agencies for example) because it's an investment in your future. Just like college/university. You pay $50k + a few years of schooling and not working (or whatever) for school hoping that your investment will pay off.

People pay for experience and many times in the real world once people get their training and experience at a company they just jump ship to a larger or more lucrative job. The companies that actually spend lots of time training these employees should have some benefit rather than just a cost of their own time to get someone up to speed just to see them leave.

OK - we've got Bob. Bob ticks all the right boxes and has plenty of family cash and no commitments. He plays by the numbers, parties with the team and turns out reliable product with some support.

Then we've go Sue. Sue's a single-mum, works hard but has zero cash and some commitments. She's intuitive and highly creative, comes up with ingenious hooks on her own and, with firm editing, brings something new to the company.

I choose Sue

 

[renau1g]

what does that have to do with internships? Are you saying Sue should be paid? Did she accept the unpaid internship? What fact pattern is here? She's a single mother so a profit making corporation should take care of her?

If Sue's income from work is $0 then I'm sure the government aid will be kicking in. How is she in a worse position than Bob? She has a child(ren) to come home to every night, far better than Bob's family cash (IMO)

Are you saying that interns never turn out anything good and only cash-desperate folks produce? Interns typically come chock full of new ideas and bring an energy to the company so saying because someone has commitments or no commitments has any bearing on their final product makes no sense.

 

[nedjer]

what does that have to do with internships? Are you saying Sue should be paid? Did she accept the unpaid internship? What fact pattern is here? She's a single mother so a profit making corporation should take care of her?

If Sue's income from work is $0 then I'm sure the government aid will be kicking in. How is she in a worse position than Bob? She has a child(ren) to come home to every night, far better than Bob's family cash (IMO)

Are you saying that interns never turn out anything good and only cash-desperate folks produce? Interns typically come chock full of new ideas and bring an energy to the company so saying because someone has commitments or no commitments has any bearing on their final product makes no sense.

Sweet driveby shooting in the first paragraph Obviously, I'm saying that interns are the source and fruit of all evil and one more intern will undoubtedly tip us into a endless, desolate Dark Age.

It could, however, be totally misconstrued as saying a level playing field accesses the best talent

 

[renau1g]

I don't understand driveby shooting reference either? We appear to have some sort of communication barrier. You quoted me but your post really didn't have much, if anything to do with my post. I tried to figure out the correlation to your post and internships. I also fail to see any way my post has anything to do with calling interns evil...

I would also choose Sue, but I fail to see how it's not a level playing field? All parties have the same opportunity. If you're saying that the unpaid portion will not allow Sue to enter the internship and thus the company loses her ability that may be true. Sadly, in society that is the case for many, how many less fortunate individuals can't go to college b/c of financial reasons and thus are locked into a poverty cycle?

 

[nedjer]

I don't understand driveby shooting reference either? We appear to have some sort of communication barrier. You quoted me but your post really didn't have much, if anything to do with my post. I tried to figure out the correlation to your post and internships. I also fail to see any way my post has anything to do with calling interns evil...

I would also choose Sue, but I fail to see how it's not a level playing field? All parties have the same opportunity. If you're saying that the unpaid portion will not allow Sue to enter the internship and thus the company loses her ability that may be true. Sadly, in society that is the case for many, how many less fortunate individuals can't go to college b/c of financial reasons and thus are locked into a poverty cycle?

Sorry - being

We may have different level playing field thresholds. In Scotland healthcare is free at the point of need, there are currently no university fees and the elderly get free personal care. That standard of support is considered necessary here; while in the rest of the UK university fees are up to £9,000/ year and the elderly pay for personal care.

 

[Mistwell]

So, no layoffs this December?

 

[Shemeska]

So, no layoffs this December?

Not that we've heard of. But with the rolling layoffs throughout the year, announced and otherwise, and the talk of them being understaffed as it stands, who else could they lay off and still function well?