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iTunes--how does it work exactly?

Coming late to the party, as I usually am, I'm finally getting frustrated with music. Picking up CDs, which are often not in stock at local stores, is getting to be a drag. I'm looking at making the iTunes plunge.

Sadly, the iTunes site is surprisingly uninformative. Presumably I have to download and install the iTunes player/retriever software which I use to both browse the iTunes library and purchase songs, and the songs are DRM encoded mp3s.

Is this right? How else does this work? Can I rip these mp3s onto a CD-R so I can play them in the car or the big stereo? Can I manipulate them at all; (i.e., fade out bad outros or cut the song shorter) using other software like Audacity? Are they actually mp3s, or some proprietary format? If they are mp3, at what bps are they encoded? Or can I choose from several formats? I've graduated from 128 bps, and I'm less likely to be impressed with iTunes if I can't get at least 192 bps.

Anyone use it and care to fill in the blanks for me please?
 
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I've had an iTunes account for a few months, now. The player is decent. You can use it to play most formats, or straight from a CD. For an iTunes subscription, pretty much everything is done from the player. Songs cost $.99 I haven't burned any songs, but I know it's possible.

The music itself is in an .m4p format. As I understand it, the .m4p is actually an open, public format, and quite good, technically speaking. I've no complaints about the quality of what I'm hearing. But, iTunes seems to be the only ones using it, and pretty much no other player will handle it, AFAIK.

Songs from iTunes are DRMed. You can play them disconnected from the Internet, but you first have to register/verify your account ID while online. I forget the exact number of computers you can have registered at the same time. I think it's six, but I've only got my home and work computers registered. I have had no problems dropping iTunes files on my keychain and taking them home from work or vice-versa.

The biggest advantage of iTunes is that, once you buy the music, the license is permanent and does not expire. You're buying the music, not renting it. Of course, with DRM in place, and the need to register a computer to play it, there are circumstances I could see that would make the license effectively dead.

That said, I'm not using iTunes anymore. I'm using Yahoo! Music. Unlike iTunes, it's a subscriber service, which means that if I stop paying them, all the music I've downloaded stops working. It's either $60/year or $8/month for a subscription, but all the downloads are free, unless you want to burn them. If you do want to burn them (done through the player), you pay $.89 per song.

Yahoo! uses the .wma format, which, I think, is supposed to be inferior to .m4p or .mp3. If there are issues with it, though, it's beyond my ability to detect. Yahoo! downloads are also DRMed, of course.

The Yahoo! player is pretty good. It isn't quite as polished as the iTunes player, but it also is still technically in beta. Obviously, iTunes has longer product life behind it. I haven't had any problems playing any downloaded music or existing .mp3s with it, though.

Okay, that probably doesn't sound like a particularly ringing endorsement. So why do I use Yahoo!? Two reasons. The first is because I've used Launchcast (same link) for years. Launchcast is a streaming, customizable radio that I absolutely love. Launchcast uses a ratings system that lets you get a much better "fit" for your tastes than any preprogramed station possibly could. It very quickly adapts to your tastes, has almost all the songs that get broadcast on any FM station, plus it suggests some less known artists that may fit your tastes. I've rated almost 7500 songs over the past fivish years and can't remember the last time it suggested a song I didn't like -- even with much, much fewer ratings, it still gets thing right most of the time.

Launchcast integrates into the Yahoo! player, so you can be listening to the radio and, if you hear something you really like, download it right then and there. For 'free', if you're a subscriber (Launchcast also has a free service with pretty much everything besides the ability to download). That's really nice. In the last two months of being a subscriber, my .wma library has probably tripled my .mp3 library (which runs back to when Napster was big and I was much less concerned with IP issues), just because the songs are thrown out in front of me without me searching for them (though I can do that, too).

The other reason I like Yahoo! Music has come up as I've started to consider buying a portable player. The iPod plays iTunes files. Period. My .mp3s would be worthless, though I could take the time to convert/reburn my library. Also, nothing else plays .m4p files. In contrast, there are a boatload of players that support .wma and the subscription-based DRM that Yahoo! uses. So, I could pay for every song individually, and lock myself into one type of hardware, or I could select the best from the other two dozen manufacturers on the market plus store 60 GB of songs for less annually than my monthly phone bill and have it integrate with my radio.
 

So, I've done a bunch of poking around Wikipedia, and seem to have answered some of my own questions there. iTunes is a proprietary m4a file format that I can play through iTunes itself or Quicktime, or load to an iPod, or burn to a CD as cda files. I can't, however, reconvert these same cda files into mp3 without significant loss of sound quality, and I presumably also can't manipulate or open m4a files in a program like Audacity, nor can I convert the files into another format. The quality if supposed to be equivalent to 160 bps mp3 files, which isn't so bad, although I'd prefer a slightly higher bit per second sampling rate.

So, the fact that I can't convert to mp3, which is an extremely useful and ubiquitious format that I can use in all kinds of players, including my DVD player, my computer at work, etc. is a big turnoff. I'm still on the cusp of whether I want to use this or not. I'll probably download the software and a few tracks just to see what they turn out like, but I'm skeptical.

What's everyone else's iTunes experience like?
 

At its core, iTunes is just a jukebox...not really different than Winamp or Musicmatch oranything else in its basic functionality. What is cool about it is a) the connection to the online library that allows you to easily purchase tracks and download them to your local machine and 2) the pretty seamless sync functionality that allows you to move all the tracks on your PC to your iPod.

The point being, you can use iTunes without owning an iPod. I know several people who do this simply because they like the iTunes library more than, say Napster's. Similarly, you can use iTunes and an iPod without ever using the online service. This is exactly what my wife does. She buys a CD, rips it onto the PC (stored in iTunes) and then syncs her iPod. CD goes into storage where it won't get scratched. I don't know that she has actually ever used the online service. For her, its about having a desktop jukebox for when she works at home/plays on the computer and having a handheld jukebox and being able to keep them synced.

Help?
 

Ah, cool. Mercule, looks like you were posting at the same time I was. Thanks for the info--I'm getting a bit colder towards iTunes. I'm actually warming up a bit to the new Napster Lite membership, which sounds like a more idealized iTunes -- you can browse the 30 second samples, buy tracks for 99¢, but you get them as mp3s with, apparently, no strings attached.

The real question is one of selection. Do either (or both) have the songs I want? My tastes are a bit non-mainstream. But since browsing is relatively free--all I have to do is download and install the software, I guess I can determine that fairly quickly.
 

Joshua Dyal said:
...the new Napster Lite membership, which sounds like a more idealized iTunes -- you can browse the 30 second samples, buy tracks for 99¢, but you get them as mp3s with, apparently, no strings attached.

I'm not sure what you mean by "no strings attached". I use Napster Lite and to the best of my knowledge, all of the songs I have downloaded have been in .wma format with some form of file protection.

Perhaps I am totally off base here?
 

msd said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "no strings attached". I use Napster Lite and to the best of my knowledge, all of the songs I have downloaded have been in .wma format with some form of file protection.

Perhaps I am totally off base here?

That was my understanding, too. That's what I turned up when looking at portable players, at least. Playing Napster and playing Yahoo! files is pretty much synonymous.
 

From the FAQ

13. What type of music files and digital rights management software does Napster use?

The Napster music that is downloaded to your computer is in Window Media Audio (WMA) format at 128 Kbps stereo. We use Microsoft Windows Media Digital Rights Management software to make sure all the music you have is fast, safe and protected. For more information about Microsoft DRM, click here.

Don't get me wrong...I don't want to turn you off Napster, but I just want to make sure that we are talking about the same thing :cool:
 

Yeah, that was a quick browse of the Napster website, and I'm not entirely sure I understood it exactly as intended.

I'm OK with 128 bps WMA; that's supposed to be equivalent (more or less) to 160 bps mp3s. Not 100% sure how this DRM works, though. I'm still not entirely sure what I can and can't do with DRM files. Because my CD Burner software is an older version of Adaptec, it won't even read wma files; I'll have to convert to mp3 just so I can convert to cda.
 

D'oh! I still have Windows ME on my PC at home (I know, I know, I never liked it either) and Napster only supports Windows 2000 and XP.

Sigh. I'll go buy a bunch of CDs before I buy a new PC just to download music.
 

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