JLU: Doomsday Sanction (Spoilers)

[JoeGKushner]

Thanks for that Claudio!

I knew there were some spots I was missing. Like I had the whole clone thing down and the brain transfer, but missed out on where he went nuts but did catch the whole Neron thing but missed out (until recetnly) on him going 'nuts' again.

 

[Dagger75]

I like what Batman said about the Question, " I know he is wound a bit tight but...." This coming from Batman. I thought that was funny. I think the Question should be in more episodes.

Its "Comic Book World" If nobody cares 10 city blocks were destroyed by a rampaging insect from another dimension then whats to stop a super villian from running for President. Lex did stop that gold robot and save the galaxy remember.

 

[Villano]

He was piloting it... From a distance (he was on a yacht and manipulating the robot via remote control).

Hmmm...for some reason, I was remembering Superman pulling him out of the robot itself. I guess I was confusing him with someone from another episode (maybe even a villain from the Superman series).

The qualifications necessary to run for the Presidency of the United States are as follows: "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."

True, those are the qualifications. However, there are other laws that factor in. For example, even though you may be qualified for both offices, you can't run for President and Senator at the same time. Also, you need a minimum number of signatures to get your name on a ballot. I was just wondering if being a convicted felon and thus unable to vote would be able to keep you off a ballot.

Plus Lex could do what he did in the comics: blame it on his evil clone!


Quick recap: *snip*

Thanks! I new about most of that stuff (like the clone "son"), but never knew how they resolved it. I was pretty sure that Lex was never held responsible for the crimes.

 

[Chun-tzu]

Just saw the episode today. A good episode, IMHO, and better on the second viewing for me. I was expecting a few things in this episode that are still-to-come, so that was a minor disappointment. Carl Lumbly (Martian Manhunter) also struck me as very flat this episode; Batman ejects from the Javelin, sustains severe injuries, and he says, "Batman? Are you there?" as if he had no idea Batman's life was in danger (which he did, of course, since they were in radio contact). It also irked me a bit that Batman had to charge to the rescue there. Batman's one of my favorites on the team, but really, there were several other ways they could have handled it. The simplest would have been to beam down the Martian Manhunter himself to deflect the missile. Green Lantern probably could have handled it fairly easily also, and even if they couldn't beam him down, he should be faster than any Javelin (although, we didn't see him around when the missile had been launched). Those are, however, fairly minor things.

The second time through, I checked for consistency, and they were indeed consistent here. In the comics, Doomsday was linked to the Cadmus Project, but they mention no such link here, and it seems that he did, indeed, precede the Cadmus Project (on this show). The Luthor for president is stretching it IMHO, given his criminal record, but he's got the money to "spin" it, and if the two major parties had slim pickings, then it's certainly conceivable that Luthor could pull it off. Especially if he used his influence to manipulate things behind the scenes.

I did really like how they're showing certain government types being afraid of the League, and rightly so. Having Batman beginning to come around to their perspective, becoming afraid of the League's power, was also cool in that it mirrors the comics in a few major storylines. In Kingdom Come, Batman opposes the League and forms his own team of superhumans to oppose them. In Squadron Supreme (Marvel's JLA counterpart), a similar thing happens with Nighthawk (Batman's counterpart) forming a rebel band to keep the Squad in check. Then, of course, there are the protocols that Serge mentioned. As the only one without super-powers (inborn or artificial) in the League's core team, he's the logical choice to be most concerned about superhumans going rogue. I'm eager to see where they go with this.

 

[Rackhir]

Anytime something inconsistant happens a wizard did it.

- From the Stretch Guy and Clobber Girl Episode of the simpsons.

 

[Viking Bastard]

I really enjoyed this episode.

For the first time that I remember, I found myself thinking Doomsday was kinda cool.

 

[WayneLigon]

What really got me was seeing Prof Emil Hamilton on Wallers secret committee. He was a long-time Superman ally in Superman: TAS. I don't know if he changed in later seasons, though; S: TAS was something I somehow managed to almost completely miss. Now watching the Season One DVD

Seeing Milo was pretty cool, too. He was in Batman: TAS, and in the comics as well (Though he had a pretty short life in the comics: he was a back-alley doctor who had happened on a genuine werewolf. Instead of researching a cure, he pushed the guy over the edge into complete lycanthropy. You can guess his eventual fate. He might have come back after that, don't know.).

 

[Viking Bastard]

Professor Hamilton turned on Superman at the end of S:TAS when Superman got
brainwashed by Darkseid. He realised how dangerous Superman really was.

As for Doomsday's creation, I understood it as they founded the Cadmus project
after the events of Superman's turn to evil, not after the Justice Lords thing. It
was just after the Justice Lords thing that they really started to punch the project
into high gear, not only against Supes, but the entire Justice League.

 

[The Serge]

I don't think Hamilton is so much anti-Superman as he is for making sure that things are in place in the event another Darkseid comes along and takes control of Superman and similar beings. He knows precisely how powerful Superman is and, in the wrong hands, how much damage he could cause with very little effort. He -- like Batman in the JLA's "Tower of Babel" series -- wants to make sure that if push came to shove, Superman and similar beings could be taken down in the event they went rogue.

 

[argo]

As [Batman is] the only one without super-powers (inborn or artificial) in the League's core team, he's the logical choice to be most concerned about superhumans going rogue. I'm eager to see where they go with this.

Ok, now my DC-Lore is a bit weak but something that I was thinking about while watching this eipsode was that Batman seems to already be forming his own little clique of "normal" supers. It occured to me durring that scene at the council table where Bats tells the others that he assigned the Question the task of researching. Everybody freaks but Bats defends the Question. Thinking back I also remember that the pilot eipsode was the one where they recruited Green Arrow. AFAIK GA has no super-powers (asside from being a really, really good shot) and in that eipsode he origionally turned down the invite saying that the League was too big and would inevitably loose sight of the little guy, to which Batman replies that that is why he wants GA on the team, to keep them honest.

Now this is where my DC-Lore fails me. Are Bats, Green Arrow and the Question the only non-powered supers in the League or are there others? I haven't been able to ID even half the faces we've seen in "background" shots of the League.

It really does seem to me as though this meta-plot has been in motion since eipsode 1.

Later.