Juggernaut..resurrected?

[Caliban]

Oh, absolutely - I'm sure they can.

But they need to do it on their turn, on the round before the spell comes into effect, so that it's down when the spell tries to raise them...

-Hyp.

Hey, I'm dead, I've got nothing better to do...

 

[Hypersmurf]

Hey, I'm dead, I've got nothing better to do...

Yeah, but you're also an unattended object with a lousy hardness, that doesn't get to make saves.

That SR might be all that's keeping you 'intact' while the AoE spells are going off... and if you're completely incinerated by fireballs and the like, it's that much harder for your friends to bring you back...

-Hyp.

 

[Caliban]

Yeah, but you're also an unattended object with a lousy hardness, that doesn't get to make saves.

That SR might be all that's keeping you 'intact' while the AoE spells are going off... and if you're completely incinerated by fireballs and the like, it's that much harder for your friends to bring you back...

-Hyp.

This is what I meant about meta-gaming. "Of course" you don't get over the shock dying for awhile, so you don't start suppressing your SR until sometime after the combat is over. By sheer coincidence, you started suppressing your SR shortly before they started casting the raise dead.

I prefer to just avoid the meta-gaming and assume that part of the casting of the Raise Dead spell includes letting the spirit of the deceased know that it's coming. Makes the players happier, makes my life less complicated.

(Of course, I don't believe that this situation has ever actually come up in my experience. Not too many PC's have permanent SR in my games.)

 

[Iku Rex]

Because an "object" is not a valid target for Raise Dead??

It does not follow. All corpses are objects, but all objects are not corpses.

Can you cast Raise Dead on a table, chair or sword?

Can you cast magic vestment (Target: Armor or shield touched) on a table, chair or sword?

Does that prove that shields are not objects?

There are plenty of spells that have only specific types of objects as their target.

 

[RigaMortus]

RigaMortis...
Animals are not listed as not having souls, so by RAW, they have them. As do Plants.

They are not listed as having them either, so by RAW, they don't have them. Neither do Plants.

Come to think of it, where does it specifically state that a Human, Orc, Elf, etc. has a soul? It's all "assumed" that they do, right? Or is it burried somewhere in the PHB (perhaps the glossary?)

Intelligent Weapons do not have souls, by RAW.

What makes you say Intel. Weapons do not have souls? Is this refuted anywhere?

ALtho it would be an interesting house rule. I had a cmapaign once where Intelligent items were made by forcing a soul into them, which led to some interesting moral issues.
Greater Scry would have to be a judgement call by the DM.

Intelligent weapons have an alignment associated with them, correct? Which means they automatically have morals. If you have a LG weapon and try to attack a Paladin, the sword will try to prevent you from doing so, wouldn't it? So that isn't really a house rule. It's built into the system already.

 

[RigaMortus]

In the same way that "Unconscious creatures are automatically considered willing", I'd imagine. Although that would suggest that souls always agree to be raised, and the implication in the spell is that they have a choice in the matter...

Unconcious characters are considered to be willing because they are still alive. A corpse is not alive, and therefore doesn't have a will.

 

[RigaMortus]

You're thinking of int, actually, but the point still stands.

I thought your Wisdom bonus was added to your Will save, not Int? I always get that mixed up...

You'd scry his corpse. Once you found out he's dead, and assuming the DM gives the okay, you could try to scry on his soul - but his soul will be getting either a +10 or a +15 on the will save. It's on another plane (+5), and either you're familiar with it but you've never met it (+5) or you have no familiarity with it whatsoever (+10) depending on things are interpreted.

Where are you getting that from? Or is this just how you would rule it? Why wouldn't you be Scrying the soul to begin with? Please use RAW to back up these assumptions.

This is a very interesting read so far.

"The truth is out there..."

 

[Primitive Screwhead]

Soul Stories

RigaMortis:
The SRD under Outsider and Elemental states "Unlike most other living creatures, an elemental does not have a dual nature—its soul and body form one unit. When an elemental is slain, no soul is set loose."
The SRD under Construct states "Since it was never alive, a construct cannot be raised or resurrected." Which had been interpreted on this thread as meaning no soul.
The SRD under the condition of 'Dead' states "The character’s soul leaves his body"
The SRD under Intelligent Weapon states "Intelligent items can actually be considered creatures because they have Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores. Treat them as constructs."

This means that 'most other living creatures' are of a dual nature and have a soul. 'Other living creature' includes those whose type description does not mention thier dual or singular nature.

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The Corpse is not alive and does not have a choice.. the spells specify that the soul has the choice. Therefore the soul must carry the essense of the character and be capable of independant choice.
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The scry question is one that can be debated forever, because its a question of interpretation. The crux of the matter is Does the spell target the physical husk of a character or the soul?
Would a Greater Scry let you view your buddy who, unbenownst to you was Magic Jarred into another body or would it Scry your buddies orginal body? What happens when your Scry target has, through magical means, sent his essence on an Astral Journey? Do you scry on the Astral projection on the Astral Plane, on the location of the Astral projection in the Material plane, or the apparently sleeping body?
By RAW, you scry on the character in question. So, what is the 'character'?
Whats your answer?

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Oh, the interesting moral questions that arose in my campaign where intelligent swords were infused with a soul came from the LG types potentially using a weapon whose soul donor was an unwilling participant who now is enslaved inside the weapon. Would you, a LG type, continue to utilize such an enslaved soul, or destroy the weapon in order to release it?
Also, if you were creating a magic item, where do you get the soul from? There are very few people willing to place themselves into such an eternity of bondage. Most of the intelligent items in that game were made by evil mages who did not worry much about sacrificing some mook for the item.