Just a friendly reminder - IE Sucks.

[Plane Sailing]

Personally, I think it's a big mistake relying on lots of custom stuff to make the site work.

In my professional capacity I agree - where possible if there is a design that will require special handling to get it to work in quirks mode as well as standards mode I'll argue for compromises in the design to get a simpler implementation!

I think the campaign for standards in web browsers has provided real benefit. Think back to the wild and woolly days of the early web, where browser manufacturers implemented new features willy-nilly - many of which have gone the way of the dodo (frames, marquee tags) while others have become fundamental to the web (javascript and IIRC tables). Back in those days it was common to see "best viewed with IE" or "best viewed with Netscape".

Since then, web standards have given a common goal for browser manufacturers to aim for. The standards compliance for Firefox and Opera have kicked microsoft in the butt and got them to develop IE7 and work now on IE8 (when IE6 didn't have any competition, it languished and recieved no development love).

So one way or another, web standards are getting us better browsers. Yay!

 

[Bugaboo]

No no no! That's a little like saying "vomit over your food before eating it. Millions of houseflies can't be wrong!"

No it's not, silly. Different species; bad comparison.

 

[Plane Sailing]

No it's not, silly. Different species; bad comparison.

Ah, Bugaboo - refreshing to see you again.

 

[Mark]

Ah, Bugaboo - refreshing to see you again.

Refreshing like a fox.

 

[Elephant]

I think the campaign for standards in web browsers has provided real benefit. Think back to the wild and woolly days of the early web, where browser manufacturers implemented new features willy-nilly - many of which have gone the way of the dodo (frames, marquee tags)

Frames are still useful today for certain ajax uses.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Frames are still useful today for certain ajax uses.

I see iFrame used sometimes in that situation (which was a refinement of frames introduced by IE IIRC). I can't remember the last time that I saw an actual Frames website though!

 

[Michael Morris]

The admin panel of vbulletin is frame based.

 

[Plane Sailing]

The admin panel of vbulletin is frame based.

OK, so the last time I saw something frame based was this morning

Darn you and your inconvenient facts, Michael Morris!