Kill Me An FR Canon Munchwizard (Heroes, Inc. players stay out)

[ssampier]

Just kill them off (or better yet, hole them out somewhere, Baator is nice this time of year).

I toyed with the idea of making Eliminister old, senile, and generally stuttery, but alas, it shall not be.

There really aren't that many high level NPCs in the Forgotten Realms, considering the size of the setting.

But anyway, I agree that the anti-magic field stuff would be quite useful. It may also help to have someone close to Khelben (a senior member of this Harper-spinoff group, the Moonstars) betray him.

Still, being a Chosen of Mystra is gonna make it tough to take him out without levelling half of Waterdeep (which is fine, if that's your thing).

It's the novels. People have been reading FR novels for years and expect your campaign to be just like the one they read in the novels, "Waitaminute, Waterdeep isn't like that. [Story 23], page 203, paragraph 13 states that..."

This is one of many reasons I do not play in Forgotten Realms.

 

[warlord]

How 'bout you just kill Drizzt. Better yet have Chewbacca get ported there from the Star Wars universe and rip him apart with his wookie strengh then pump the corpse full of bowcaster bolts.

 

[Alratan]

Alrighty, I have a Waterdeep campaign going and need a way to deal with those two CR30+ Greenwood pets in Blackstaff Tower before the BBEG can truly get his plan into motion. Preferably kill Khelben and frame Laeral for it. That will also reduce people's confidence in the mighty heroes that surround them.

Assume that the baddies have nearly infinite rescources. Some of thme are custom demons and I am willing to create an extra one with relevant powers if need be. They have a number of powerful cassed individuals, lots of vampires, a Tarterian Dragon, a an L20 Vampire Lord True Necromancer BBEG, and as I said, a whole lot of powerful custom demons. None of them can win a one-on-one fair fight, but they can if they cheat effectively.

Secrecy is the easiest part. This plot is important enough to Shar (Greater Goddess of Secrets, Darkness, etc) that she will block the killing from the sight of the other gods, such that divination spells will not work. The real issue is the kill and the frame.

Any suggestions?

EDIT: Any suggestions that do not involve simply mocking FR. I am sticking with canon more or less, but I want to change it IN GAME, not by handwaiving. I consider it a challenge. Besides, as I said, the actual downfall of incredably mighty individuals is part of the goal, not just their nonexistance. If I were to erase them from the timeline, I'd still need to accomplish that some other way.

Favourite way of olving this kind of problem. Get an enormas block of thinaun and enchant it to emit a psionic antimagic field. Cast instant recall on it. Drop it on the tower from 20 or 30 miles up. The two archmages die and their souls are sucked into the Thinaun. Trigger the instant recall. Cntract with the city of Union's Assassin's Guild, shrink the block of metal, and have it thrown threw the cloak. You win

 

[Felix]

There really aren't that many high level NPCs in the Forgotten Realms, considering the size of the setting.

Man, we must be talking about two completely different Forgotten Realms.

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Alrighty, I have a Waterdeep campaign going and need a way to deal with those two CR30+ Greenwood pets in Blackstaff Tower before the BBEG can truly get his plan into motion. Preferably kill Khelben and frame Laeral for it. That will also reduce people's confidence in the mighty heroes that surround them.

Assume that the baddies have nearly infinite rescources. Some of thme are custom demons and I am willing to create an extra one with relevant powers if need be. They have a number of powerful cassed individuals, lots of vampires, a Tarterian Dragon, a an L20 Vampire Lord True Necromancer BBEG, and as I said, a whole lot of powerful custom demons. None of them can win a one-on-one fair fight, but they can if they cheat effectively.

I hope the BBEG isn't the highest-level villain in the plot. (If he or she can do this, why hasn't any other villain done this? There are plenty of epic villains in FR, even if they don't match the nine stars of the setting.)

I would give them spells like mantle spells (see Neverwinter Nights or Elminster in Myth Drannor) so they can actually last a few rounds.

Don't bother going after them in the tower. Just have a rogue trail them (they don't have good Spot scores) until you can get one of them alone (or at least, not in the company of any other Chosen), then go all Elfsong on them. (And by Elfsong, I mean break Khelben's illusionary disguise and/or paralyze him before you start with the nastiness.)

I suggest the rogue summon the group in (one of whom is a sexy babe disguised as Laerel), who promptly put down a powerful anti-teleportation spell before they start with the killing. Use warriors (or warrior-type demons, or barbarian/fighter-classed demons) for the most part, and make sure they have spell mantles on them. I wonder if Mordenkainen's Disjunction would strip off Khelben's Elminster's Evasion spell? You're the DM, you make the ruling.

 

[Nightfall]

Just kill them off (or better yet, hole them out somewhere, Baator is nice this time of year).

Nah, just send them into the Abyss. I figure Graz'zt could have fun with Laeral while Demogorgon baits the Blackstaff.

 

[Faraer]

DM_Matt, lay off slurring Ed Greenwood.

There really aren't that many high level NPCs in the Forgotten Realms, considering the size of the setting.

Man, we must be talking about two completely different Forgotten Realms.

BadMojo is talking about the published one, in which (if you glance at the scale on the maps) there's no particularly great density of high-level characters. You're talking about the bogus one certain people gossip and gripe about on messageboards.

 

[Southern]

Polymorphed or not, I think that demons might attract some attention of the Lords of Waterdeep and Khelben before they reach Blackstaff Tower.

I don't think getting the deed done is the hard problem, it's getting all the chess pieces in position without knowing that you are about to strike.

 

[Felix]

You're talking about the bogus one certain people gossip and gripe about on messageboards.

I was talking about the Forgotten Realms I read about in the FRCS I got for free from a buddy of mine. What's this bogus one then?

 

[Nightfall]

Probably 1st edition!