King Kubrick: Ranking Stanley's Best Films

This is just way overselling it, IMNSHO. Satire existed before Strangelove; it continues to exist after without Kurick's help. I'd put Strangelove in the top 10 satire of all time. But Network, Brazil, and Duck Soup would all place above it, and that's just off the top of my head (and hoping I'm keeping my Marx bros straight).

And I'll double down that Failsafe is better. Frankly, my understanding is that Kubrick should probably be knocked down a peg or two for the inter-office politics he pulled to damage its release. I wonder how differently the world would remember things if Failsafe made it to theaters first.

I strongly disagree. I think it's impossible to fully capture the mindset and zeitgeist of that time, but to the extent it is possible, there is a reason that Dr. Strangelove resonated so strongly.

This was the time of the "missile gap" (later found out to be the product of paranoia and bad intelligence). Of the RAND Corporation and MAD. Of the RAND Corporation and the doomsday machine (yes, the one in Strangelove was modelled after Szilard's proposal). Of reducing command and control over nuclear arms to ensure maximum possible retaliation. Open air testing of h-bombs. The massive buildup in nuclear arsenals (in 1950, the US had built less than 2500 warheads; in 1965, it had over 31,000- for comparison's sake, there are less than 6k today).

This is something that was best exposed not by soberly looking at how terrible nuclear war was. It was done before, and it was done after. Instead, what Dr. Strangelove did brilliantly was expose the madness at its core. The crazy and insane stupidity of it all. A crazy system, designed by fallible people.

That was the sick joke that worked. You have to remember that this was still before the public turned because of Vietnam. We still believed in the "Defense Establishment" - the same one that many people were veterans of (WW2). Through satire, the whole system was disabused.

Correctly.

That's the difference. It's easy to make a film that makes you feel bad. But making a film that shows you that the whole system is crazy? That took genius. After all, "Make a movie about the nuclear annihilation of humankind that forces the viewer to question not just the events, but the whole friggin' system ... and also, you know, funny!" is not something most people could tackle.
 

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This is just way overselling it, IMNSHO. Satire existed before Strangelove; it continues to exist after without Kurick's help. I'd put Strangelove in the top 10 satire of all time. But Network, Brazil, and Duck Soup would all place above it, and that's just off the top of my head (and hoping I'm keeping my Marx bros straight).

And I'll double down that Failsafe is better. Frankly, my understanding is that Kubrick should probably be knocked down a peg or two for the inter-office politics he pulled to damage its release. I wonder how differently the world would remember things if Failsafe made it to theaters first.
Failsafe is a fine movie, but Strangelove is better IMO.
 

Failsafe is a fine movie, but Strangelove is better IMO.
Strangelove is the Kubrick film I have watched most often. I can’t say if I feel it’s the best of his movies, but it’s the one that I enjoy the most. Darkly delicious, capturing a moment in time perfectly. It has several of the most memorable quotes of any of his films. And it has Peter Sellers, whom I adore.

Thanks for this thread, Snarf; it is a joy just to be reminded of all these films, and your analysis and statements of preference are, as always, thoughtful and considerate. I wouldn’t put his films in this exact order, but it would be close. Maybe I’ll watch Eyes Wide Shut a third time and see if it pays off. If I can ignore Cruise, whose energy and commitment I admire, but whose actual performances I find unconvincing.

Or maybe Strangelove again …
 

As a side note, 2001 is a masterpiece, but I rewatched 2010 last night, and considering what it was following up, it’s also a very good movie if anyone hasn’t seen it. Obviously, it’s not Kubrick, and like Clarke’s book, it feels like an explainer video for 2001 at times, but as a sci-fi kind of mystery with a solid cast, it’s entertaining.
 

I will say that FMJ is the most quoted be me, followed by the occasional "I am Spartacus" or "Redrum."

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I agree with the write up here, even if I disagree with the ranking. That first half has some of the best captured performances of any Kubrick film. The timing was perfect, the casting so excellent, the writing so fantastic. I gotta note too, the Joker character was so generation X and for Kubrick at 59 years old at the time to capture a generation in a single character was just chef's kiss.
One of my favorite movies.

I have some questions for Snarf, as expurgated for ENworld, as memorized by me in 1989, no internet look up the lines cheating:

Me: Son, what’s that you’ve got written on your list?
Snarf: “Full Metal Jacket”, sir.
Me: And what ranking did you give it?
Snarf: Number 9, sir.
Me: What’s that supposed to be? Some kind of a sick joke?
Snarf: Sir, no, sir.
Me: Snarf, do you love your country?
Snarf: Sir, yes, sir!
Me: Then why did you put “Full Metal Jacket” on your list, but only rank it number 9? Answer my question or you’ll be standing tall before the man.
Snarf: It’s about the duality of film, sir. The first half is a heartbreaking work of staggering genius, and the second half is excellent, but I don’t think they mesh, sir.
Me: Snarf, you better your head and your (foot) wired together, or I will take a giant (stomp) on you.
Snarf: Sir, yes, sir.
Me: Snarf, inside every (non-5e fan), there’s a (5e 2024 superfan who loves everything Hasbro) trying to get out. We’ve just gotta keep our heads down until this (OGL) craze blows over.
Snarf: Sir, yes, sir.
 

One of my favorite movies.

I have some questions for Snarf, as expurgated for ENworld, as memorized by me in 1989, no internet look up the lines cheating:

Me: Son, what’s that you’ve got written on your list?
Snarf: “Full Metal Jacket”, sir.
Me: And what ranking did you give it?
Snarf: Number 9, sir.
Me: What’s that supposed to be? Some kind of a sick joke?
Snarf: Sir, no, sir.
Me: Snarf, do you love your country?
Snarf: Sir, yes, sir!
Me: Then why did you put “Full Metal Jacket” on your list, but only rank it number 9? Answer my question or you’ll be standing tall before the man.
Snarf: It’s about the duality of film, sir. The first half is a heartbreaking work of staggering genius, and the second half is excellent, but I don’t think they mesh, sir.
Me: Snarf, you better your head and your (foot) wired together, or I will take a giant (stomp) on you.
Snarf: Sir, yes, sir.
Me: Snarf, inside every (non-5e fan), there’s a (5e 2024 superfan who loves everything Hasbro) trying to get out. We’ve just gotta keep our heads down until this (OGL) craze blows over.
Snarf: Sir, yes, sir.
So.. I cant help but picture you as an elf bard now.
 

I haven't seen every Kubrick movie, but Eyes Wide Shut is my least favorite. When I saw it, I just thought to myself, "What the $#%% did I just watch?" I like 2001, but my wife is still angry I "made" her watch it with me back around 1999 as she found it to be one of the most boring in the world. I really, really love Spartacus and Dr. Strangelove. Of course I have a soft spot in my heart for Full Metal Jacket even if it feels like two movies instead of just one.
 

I haven't seen every Kubrick movie, but Eyes Wide Shut is my least favorite. When I saw it, I just thought to myself, "What the $#%% did I just watch?" I like 2001, but my wife is still angry I "made" her watch it with me back around 1999 as she found it to be one of the most boring in the world. I really, really love Spartacus and Dr. Strangelove. Of course I have a soft spot in my heart for Full Metal Jacket even if it feels like two movies instead of just one.
I totally understand why people bounce off of 2001. It is a challenging movie. The plot is very opaque, if non-existent. Most of the time, you don’t really understand what is the purpose or what the characters are doing in the various sequences of the movie. The acting is very dry. There are no answers, let alone easy answers, to anything you witness during the movie. It is perhaps one of the best examples of a vibe movie before anyone understood what vibing was.
 

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