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Knights of the Virgin

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Hunter99

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These are the villains in a tentative campaign which I am thinking of running.

Tell me what you think.

Some men wish that things be presented in a clear-cut fashion to them; that difficult choices either not be made at all or made by someone else. Such men seek to avoid the responsibility of thinking, which is a desire to avoid the responsibility of freedom. Dear reader, you have become acquainted with the Knights of the Scarlet Woman. You may have been repulsed and sought refuge in the opposite of those knights in the hopes that they would be better, but the enemy of an evil is not necessarily a good. It can be another evil. History teaches us that evil does not manifest itself openly, that the evil that is done in this world is often done in the name of so-called goodness. (since there are those who disagree with the princinples of chastity, duty, altruism etc.) I am here to tell you about one such organization that does evil in the name of alleged goodness which you should already know a few things about: the Knights of the Virgin.

These knights are the worshippers of the ideals of duty, self-sacrifice, altruism and selflessness. They see themselves as noble crusaders for good. They believe that they are led by a commander, X, (left unnamed for now) who has been sent to them from the Deity to lead them to a better tomorrow. Believing their commander to be mystically enlightened, they have sworn an oath of unconditional obedience to him. They see themselves as the chosen and all who disagree as the damned. They are supporters of a conservative social order which recognizes the proper rank and place of everyone: the priest, the aristocrat, the knight, the man, the woman etc. They oppose all secular and dissenting ideas, which to them represent the work of the devil in men’s hearts.

The knights make entry open to all, and in fact support the drafting of all able-bodied men. They see it as the duty of every able-bodied man to fight for the holy cause which they have undertaken. The knights also support the conscription of women for breeding purposes to produce soldiers for the armies of righteousness. Their mentality manifests itself in what they consider to be wisdom. For instance, their motto is “Obedience and duty; our lives belong to the state.” One of their most revered sages has said “In childhood a woman should be dependent on her father, in youth on her husband, in old age on her children; a woman should never be independent.” Another of their mottos is, “A woman, like a walnut tree, should be beaten every day.” And if you were wondering, yes, they punish adulterers with death, as they do to homosexuals and those convicted of dissent.

Those who are members of the organization receive a set of armor with the emblems of the order. The symbol of the order is an arm holding a sword with a crown dangling from the arm like a bracelet. Members are highly respected in areas where the knights holds sway. Higher ranking members get to indulge in “aristocratic pleasures” denied to the common masses. Adventurers receive payment for any missions they do on behalf of the order. (It is possible for such adventurers to be drafted, which is sad, but is an unfortunate reality.)

The knights are allied with certain celestial beings, certain churches and the aristocracy. Their sworn enemies are those dedicated to pagan ideals. Among these are the chief enemy of the knighthood, the Knights of the Scarlet Woman, while allies of the K.S.W. are also considered enemies. The Knights of the Virgin have been commanded to kill any K.S.W. members on sight and attack if they see anyone wearing the emblems of the enemy order. That is of course, if the knight is not high-ranking, in which case they are ordered to capture such knights and send them to the headquarters of the order to be tortured and interrogated. The Knights of the Virgin believe in honor and do not use trickery to win battles. All members have a duty to lay down their lives for the state, as the state is considered a living, breathing entity who is the Deity’s representative on earth.

The commander of the knights is appointed by the head priest who receives a vision from the deity as to the right man to lead the righteous to glorious victory. There is a military hierarchy and there is no civilian control of the military in the areas where the knighthood holds sway. The order is popular in conservative areas but shunned like the plague in pagan, secular, and liberal areas.

Sometimes reality is grim and presents men with difficult choices. This is one such choice. In a world where neither side can be called good, which will you choose, dear reader?
 
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Dandu

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How horribly repressive! Codpieces should be burned! Chastity belts should be unlocked! Rampant orgies should ensue! Experimentation should commence*! Yay sex!

*But no gays.
 



domino

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But let's face it, the reason these guys are so bad is because he needs someone to make the knights of the rapine brainwashers look good.
 

Hunter99

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How horribly repressive! Codpieces should be burned! Chastity belts should be unlocked! Rampant orgies should ensue! Experimentation should commence*! Yay sex!

*But no gays.

This deserves xp. Great sense of humor.

Domino, you may say that is the reason why I am doing such a thing but a glance at history will show that pagan and religious cultures have existed in the past which were at war with one another.

Anyways, this is my campaign which I am planning. I will make the villains look however I want them to look. Even if you disapprove of them because you think I am misrepresenting savagery.
 
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Hunter99

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If you are talking about his golden mean, you should remember that the mean between two evils is not a good.

And that between good and evil (although I am not saying the Knights of the Scarlet Woman are good) there can be no golden mean. (Which is something Aristotle also pointed out.)
 

StreamOfTheSky

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If you are talking about his golden mean, you should remember that the mean between two evils is not a good.

And that between good and evil (although I am not saying the Knights of the Scarlet Woman are good) there can be no golden mean. (Which is something Aristotle also pointed out.)

More like a mean between deficiency and excess. Again, just seemed incredibly relevant here. Anyone who thinks the solution to an appaling excess is to go completely to the other extreme (or vice-versa) has a serious problem with ethical reasoning.
 

Hunter99

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I agree with Aristotle's idea of a golden mean, but when it is a question of moral principles, there can be no compromise.

For instance, if one side represented individual rights and the other side represented the subordination of the individual to the group to seek a middle position is equivalent to surrendering to evil. It is, in fact, surrendering to evil.
 

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