Knocking Godzilla Prone

[hbarsquared]

Jeremy - Yeah but do you fall on the freakin' floor? Or drop to your knees? I sure don't. Do you stagger away from the cutting-board because there's blood on the onions and you're going to need a bandaid on your finger?

If it was an epic-level cutting-board, sure.

Also, I have also been planning out skill challenges and such to emulate weak points in a colossus, too, making for a truly epic battle. Those types of challenges are going to be lots of fun.

However, I'm simply saying that just because something doesn't make sense to you at first glance doesn't mean that it can't happen, or that the rules don't account for it.

If a LEGO-man with a sharpened steel LEGO-sword that could burst into flame on command stabbed me in the thigh, I sure as hell would at least drop to me knees.

 

[reff42]

I try to take marial powers in the most broad of contexts and magical powers fairly literal (evens them out)

knocking the terrasque prone? the terrasque trys to step on an epic level fighter and gets more than he bargained for.

For oozes, break prone down to it's mechanical advantage. CA, -2 melee and +2 vs ranged. So, I take my shield and compress the jelly, or it flattens out to try an avoid my return swing.

Icy terrain affecting a clay scout? If the clay scout is more than 5 feet off the ground no way, lower than that, the sudden intense cold can easily pull down a flying creature. Mechanically, the creature above 5 feet is actually a square above the terrain, and thus does not go prone or take damage.

 

[Eldorian]

Why are people still posting in this thread? It's already over.

omg, a sword can get through Godzilla's armor?

If you can kill the Tarrasque with a sword, you can knock him down with your shield.

 

[Felon]

I try to take marial powers in the most broad of contexts and magical powers fairly literal (evens them out)

knocking the terrasque prone? the terrasque trys to step on an epic level fighter and gets more than he bargained for.

For oozes, break prone down to it's mechanical advantage. CA, -2 melee and +2 vs ranged. So, I take my shield and compress the jelly, or it flattens out to try an avoid my return swing.

Icy terrain affecting a clay scout? If the clay scout is more than 5 feet off the ground no way, lower than that, the sudden intense cold can easily pull down a flying creature. Mechanically, the creature above 5 feet is actually a square above the terrain, and thus does not go prone or take damage.

Come on, one more rationalizer for the hat trick!

Seriously, the problem with such equivocation is that it makes monsters bland. Players just mash the same hotkeys in every fight. Monsters make memorable impressions when they force the party to change their routine tactics. If you throw a jelly or a swarm or a colossus at players, and then they're affected by all of the tricks that affect every other monster, then it kind of defeats the purpose of using the jelly, swarm, or colossus to begin with.

 

[Warbringer]

See, Ruins Explorer? Otterscrubber? Who da man? Huh? Let none doubt my ability to predict ENWorld poster behavior.

Wow, you predicted that some posters would attempt to explain what the actions represent to help others accept that the concepts make sense beyond the gamist enviornment?

Brilliant!

 

[Felon]

Why are people still posting in this thread? It's already over.

If you can kill the Tarrasque with a sword, you can knock him down with your shield.

Apparently not everyone finds a compelling correlation between those two actions.

I'll attempt to explain:

You actually have to use the sword on the tarrasque repeatedly. He doesn't just die from one sword thrust like a kobold minion. But a "pronifying" attack does affect all monsters equally.

 

[Felon]

Wow, you predicted that some posters would attempt to explain what the actions represent to help others accept that the concepts make sense beyond the gamist enviornment?

Brilliant!

Ruins Explorer put it to me very well.

The abilities in 4E are pretty well-described. I think it's fairly clear that something that's STR vs Fort and involves you slamming the Tarrasque with your shield is y'know, shoving the Tarrasque around.

I gotta go with him on this.

 

[Eldorian]

Apparently not everyone finds a compelling correlation between those two actions.

I'll attempt to explain:

You actually have to use the sword on the tarrasque repeatedly. He doesn't just die from one sword thrust like a kobold minion. But a "pronifying" attack does affect all monsters equally.

I could easily slice a level 30 solo lich in two with one swing of my sword, descriptively, yet it takes many attacks to put him down. Are you arguing that since the lich can be knocked down by my shield, I should also be able to kill him with my sword in one swing? Or are you instead arguing that the lich is unknockdownable? Or perhaps, both are knockdownable, because by the time you're facing either of them you're a demigod?

The act of killing a monster so much larger than person with a sword is so fantastic, it equates to being as fantastic as knocking the same monster down with a shield.

 

[Surgoshan]

The abilities in 4E are pretty well-described. I think it's fairly clear that something that's STR vs Fort and involves you slamming the Tarrasque with your shield is y'know, shoving the Tarrasque around. Which like I said... retarded...

Why? We're not talking about the real world. We're talking about someone who's gone beyond hero, beyond being an expert, but is more likely than not a demigod. Physical strength and mass alone are not what makes an exploit work. Your dragonborn fighter isn't just some shmo whacking a tarrasque with a stick.

 

[Felon]

Why? We're not talking about the real world. We're talking about someone who's gone beyond hero, beyond being an expert, but is more likely than not a demigod. Physical strength and mass alone are not what makes an exploit work.

I think the bottom line is that it's a STR-based attack against Fortitude defense. There's a defense for physical attacks, and then there's another for mind tricks.