Kobolds - Is this legal?

[Klaus]

Let's say you make a character. A kobold. And for your 1st-level feat you take Dragonwrought Kobold, which, among other things, changes your type to Dragon. Would it be possible to advance by taking levels in Dragon, gaining the BAB of a Fighter, d12 HD, 8 skill points/level and all good saves?

If so, I welcome our new kobold overlords!

 

[Infiniti2000]

From what source do you get this theoretical class "Dragon"? If you mean, do you become an advanced dragon, then no. You are misunderstanding how monster advancement works.

 

[Blightersbane]

sounds like your going for the 1/2 dragon template class, no?

Blightersbane

 

[Knight Otu]

Dragon is not a class (and neither are the remaining types), it is a type that sets some rules (such as how the racial hit dice normally look). Also, outside of monster classes, there are really no rules to gain Racial Hit Dice.

 

[Primitive Screwhead]

No, its not legal.. altho for different reasons than stated above.

A Dragon Character can be advance by Hit Dice, but this is not normal 'level' advancement, outside of HR territory...

And, your Kobold turned Dragon is probably a Type {Dragon, Augmented Humanoid}

This means, among other things, the spells/effects that could target you as a Kobold still will..and spells/effects that could target only Dragons work on you too...

 

[javcs]

No, its not legal.. altho for different reasons than stated above.

A Dragon Character can be advance by Hit Dice, but this is not normal 'level' advancement, outside of HR territory...

And, your Kobold turned Dragon is probably a Type {Dragon, Augmented Humanoid}

This means, among other things, the spells/effects that could target you as a Kobold still will..and spells/effects that could target only Dragons work on you too...

No, unless I'm reading the type alteration rules wrong, you'd wind up with Type: Dragon Subtype: Augmented Humanoid, Kobold, which makes your type dragon for all effects. That is, unless the Dragonwrought feat specifically says otherwise.

In any event, you'd be getting 6 skillpoints/level (8 is for outsiders), and the vast majority of skills would be cross-class. Which essentially makes you something like a cross between a fighter, barbarian, and monk ... except fewer (effective) skill points, and no abilities.

 

[takasi]

In any event, you'd be getting 6 skillpoints/level (8 is for outsiders), and the vast majority of skills would be cross-class. Which essentially makes you something like a cross between a fighter, barbarian, and monk ... except fewer (effective) skill points, and no abilities.

Maybe for skill points, but you get a full BAB and monk saves.

Legally this can't be done because the monster advances by class not by hit dice.

However, I don't see any reason this couldn't be done from a balance perspective does anyone else? If a player wants to take a class with 12 HD, full BAB, 6 skill points and monk like saves with absolutely no class abilities why not let them?

Not very fair for players though, since it's a 2:1 ratio on HD:CR. I'd rather fight a CR 10 kobold fighter than a kobold fighter with dragon hit dice.

 

[Sejs]

Let's say you make a character. A kobold. And for your 1st-level feat you take Dragonwrought Kobold, which, among other things, changes your type to Dragon. Would it be possible to advance by taking levels in Dragon, gaining the BAB of a Fighter, d12 HD, 8 skill points/level and all good saves?

If so, I welcome our new kobold overlords!

Nope. Wouldn't fly.

Kobolds have 1 racial hit die and advance by class.

Racial hit dice are not a class, so you're out of luck.

And, as an added bonus, the dragonwrought kobold now cannot become a Dragon Disciple and pick up the half-dragon template.

 

[Nifft]

Note that Dragonwrought Kobolds are Dragons, and that they do not take penalties for aging.
Note that Dragons of age category Old or beyond can take [Epic] feats.
Note that Kobolds do indeed have an age category "Old".
Giggle.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Diirk]

Would this work for 10th level dragon disciples too?

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