Kraken Variants

[freyar]

Longer reach for the tentacles is good.

I like your proposal for the extra combat text. Let's do 4d6 damage for the slams.

For the normal weapons in the tentacles, how about mostly Medium katanas with a couple Large or Huge swords?

 

[Cleon]

Longer reach for the tentacles is good.

I like your proposal for the extra combat text. Let's do 4d6 damage for the slams.

Updating the Male Krakentua Working Draft and Female Krakentua Working Draft.

For the normal weapons in the tentacles, how about mostly Medium katanas with a couple Large or Huge swords?

So you're suggesting what, something along the lines of four Medium katanas (1d10+6) plus two Large longswords (2d6+6) and a Huge shortsword (2d6+6) in the main statblock's Full Attack line?

That seems unnecessarily complicated. I'd rather keep it simple(r) and just have seven sets of the same melee weapons for the default tentacle weapon loadout and the current katanas seem fine.

Hmm…

Wouldn't it be better to just mention alternative tentacle-weapons in the Combat section?

We've already mentioned alternative weapons to the Slams for its main limbs, so it'd just be an extension of that.

 

[freyar]

OK, so the attack lines would be slams plus (tentacles or katanas)? Sure. Then the combat section can list that they may use Large or Huge weapons in the tentacles instead. Should there be a limitation on weapons that they can use with tentacles, like no larger than Huge or must be one-handed weapons?

 

[Cleon]

OK, so the attack lines would be slams plus (tentacles or katanas)? Sure. Then the combat section can list that they may use Large or Huge weapons in the tentacles instead. Should there be a limitation on weapons that they can use with tentacles, like no larger than Huge or must be one-handed weapons?

I was thinking a tentacle could wield a two-handed weapon up to Medium size, a one-handed weapon up to Large size, or a light weapon up to Huge size.

Then their tentacle weapon options would typically max out at around 2d6 damage (Medium greatsword, Large longsword, Huge shortsword).

We'd need some special rule to replace the RAW on Inappropriately Sized Weapons:

Inappropriately Sized Weapons​

A creature can’t make optimum use of a weapon that isn’t properly sized for it. A cumulative -2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn’t proficient with the weapon a -4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.

The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder’s size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. If a weapon’s designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can’t wield the weapon at all.

 

[freyar]

Yes, that sounds fine. How about something like this?

Tentacle Weapon Use (Ex): A krakentua may use a Medium or smaller two-handed weapon, a Large or smaller one-handed weapon, or a Huge or smaller light weapon in each tentacle without penalty. A krakentua that uses a larger weapon in a tentacle is subject to a cumulative -2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the weapon and the above sizes listed as per the Inappropriately Sized Weapons rule.

 

[Cleon]

Yes, that sounds fine. How about something like this?

Tentacle Weapon Use (Ex): A krakentua may use a Medium or smaller two-handed weapon, a Large or smaller one-handed weapon, or a Huge or smaller light weapon in each tentacle without penalty. A krakentua that uses a larger weapon in a tentacle is subject to a cumulative -2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the weapon and the above sizes listed as per the Inappropriately Sized Weapons rule.

As written that'd allow the Krakentua to wield seven Colossal two-handed weapons in its tentacles with only a –8 attack penalty. Considering its BAB and Strength bonus give it plenty of attack modifier that doesn't seem wise.

How about this:

Weapon Wielding Tentacles (Ex): A krakentua can wield melee weapons with the tips of its tentacles as off hand weapons. Its tentacle tips are dainty and weak but highly dextrous; each tentacle can wield a two-handed weapon of up to Medium size, a one-handed weapon up to Large size, or a light weapon up to Huge size.

A krakentua’s Improved Multiattack and Multiweapon Fighting feats, combined with its natural abilities, allows it to attack with all its tentacle-wielded weapons at no penalty.​

 

[freyar]

To be really explicit, should we add a line "A krakentua cannot wield weapons of a larger sizes in its tentacles." to the end of the first paragraph? Otherwise, looks good!

Though I kind of enjoyed the idea of 7 Colossal two-handed weapons.

 

[Cleon]

To be really explicit, should we add a line "A krakentua cannot wield weapons of a larger sizes in its tentacles." to the end of the first paragraph? Otherwise, looks good!

Updating the Male Krakentua Working Draft and Female Krakentua Working Draft.

Though I kind of enjoyed the idea of 7 Colossal two-handed weapons.

Well it'd be eight Colossal 2H weapons if this theoretical abomination used its hands as well.

 

[freyar]

Seems like that's good, then. Standard trample? That is, slam damage + 1-1/2 Str and usual DC?

 

[Cleon]

Seems like that's good, then. Standard trample? That is, slam damage + 1-1/2 Str and usual DC?

The versions we've already got in the CC have 8d12 trample damage, which is just a tad higher than the slam damage.

For reference, the original monster trampled for 1d100 damage.