Krynn Minotaur

[Crothian]

Is that the Krynn Minotaur, though, or the MM Minotaur.

The Krynn one has what I listed. So, nothing verse mazes

 

[GwydapLlew]

Crothian is correct (imagine that ) in that Krynnish minotaurs are an entirely different race than standard minotaurs. I love me some Krynnish minotaurs - something about their culture and history appeals to me (and I'm not a huge Dragonlance fan).

Definitely go with the Krynnish minotaur. They are intelligent and efficient, as opposed to the bestial core minotaurs. You'll have more fun.

 

[Squire James]

I imagine the things the Lady of Pain throws around are a wee bit more exotic than a Maze spell (though I imagine they have the same roots conceptually). However, they're probably not as impossible to get through as the Planescape rules suggest, or there wouldn't be all these people aware that the Lady tosses people into mazes...

Crothian's "Krynn Minotaur" appears to be a +1 ECL race. As a rule, anything getting +4 to an ability score probably needs to be at least +1 LA.

 

[Perun]

I imagine the things the Lady of Pain throws around are a wee bit more exotic than a Maze spell (though I imagine they have the same roots conceptually). However, they're probably not as impossible to get through as the Planescape rules suggest, or there wouldn't be all these people aware that the Lady tosses people into mazes...

IIRC, every maze has a hidden exit somewhere. It's just extremely difficult to find, and the mazes themselves are "infinite" (again, IIRC), or at least just plain huge.

Crothian's "Krynn Minotaur" appears to be a +1 ECL race. As a rule, anything getting +4 to an ability score probably needs to be at least +1 LA.

Can't find my DL book now, but IIRC, a couple of races are a bit more powerful that their standard versions. Elves get both low-light vision and darkvision, for example (it's called elfsight or somesuch).

 

[BASHMAN]

Krynn Minotaurs get no dark or lowlight vision?

Also, what languages do they get?

 

[Cam Banks]

Krynnish minotaurs are pretty powerful for a LA +0 race, yes. They get natural armor and a natural weapon, as well as excellent ability modifiers, but the developers of the DLCS (which I believe included James Wyatt) figured people would prefer to play a minotaur from 1st level. The half-ogre is LA +1, however, and it isn't significantly better than the minotaur.

I'm working on Races of Ansalon at the moment, which I suppose would be an ideal occasion to bump their LA up to +1, but I think the fans would riot. Plus, they do get a -2 penalty to Dexterity, Intelligence, and Charisma, so it isn't as if they get off easily.

Krynnish minotaurs, as I said above, are humanoids. They don't have any special vision, unlike their bestial MM cousins. They speak Kothian (the minotaur language) and Common, and can learn Kalinese, Nordmaarian, Ogre, and Saifhum, which are the other Blood Sea Isles languages.

Cheers,
Cam