Layout for Secure Shelter

[darkelfo]

Huh. Can you stack that?

This item can only be used by a CG bard, for 3 times the 30% reduction?

I don't think the alignment AND class restriction reduction stacks, but its to the GM.

 

[Felix]

Can you please elaborate on this point? I read the above post. Do extradimensional spaces conflict only when it so states in the description? Handy Haversack, for example, does not mention that it does, but it describes the Haversack as similar a Bag of Holding.

What is there to elaborate on? It states in the descriptions of Bag of Holding and Portable Hole that putting the one into the other makes things explode. That's it. Easy enough: don't combine Portable Holes and Bags of Holding.

Of course, Heward's Haversacks specifically say they act like Bags of Holding, so don't put them in Portable Holes either.

But nowhere does it say that bringing an extradimensional space into another extradimensional space makes BOOM. That is only the case for Bags of Holding and Portable Holes. If one of those two is not involved, say a Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion instead, then everything is hunky dorey: no planar rift.

Simply, the Portable Hole/Bag of Holding is not a rule, but rather a specific effect of those two objects. Do not apply this to every hole and bag and extradimensional space you find, because there is no rule saying "extradimensional + extradimensional = boom". It's a myth. All clear?

 

[domino]

I'd have sworn that people have had horrible things happen to them by taking a portable hole or bag of holding into a rope trick.

But that may have been a house rule.

 

[Chorn]

because there is no rule saying "extradimensional + extradimensional = boom". It's a myth. All clear?

Well except for that ambiguous bit of text in the description of the Rope Trick spell.

System Reference Document 3.5
Note: It is hazardous to create an extradimensional space within an existing extradimensional space or to take an extradimensional space into an existing one.

However, there are no rules stating why it is "hazardous" to do such a thing. Furthermore, the Bag/Hole interaction is between a nondimensional Bag of Holding and an extradimensional Portable Hole.

 

[Felix]

Well except for that ambiguous bit of text in the description of the Rope Trick spell.

True, true, but I think that's a doorway for DMs to house rule away since there's no follow up rules for it.

And even myths are grounded in ambiguous facts, eh? Heh heh.