Liches Touching Themselves

[Crothian]

I let Lich's be able to cure a few hit points with the touch. It is a Lich, they deserve to be powerful. It is not going to be an option it does in combat, but it helps when it escapes and is able to heal itself fast.

 

[Seeten]

The opportunity cost on the lich healing itself 1d8+5 is HIGH. It takes a round, and provokes an AoO. No Lich would ever use it in combat, which makes this an OOC ability. Really, who cares if liches can heal themselves to full out of combat. Is this somehow unbalancing?

 

[Infiniti2000]

The opportunity cost on the lich healing itself 1d8+5 is HIGH. It takes a round, and provokes an AoO.

It certainly doesn't provoke an AoO. It's an attack. Nothing about it provokes.

No Lich would ever use it in combat, which makes this an OOC ability. Really, who cares if liches can heal themselves to full out of combat. Is this somehow unbalancing?

Yes. Very unbalancing. It's why it's a Very Bad Idea™ to allow a ring of cure minor wounds at book guidelines.

 

[Seeten]

Yeah, cuz there arent a hundred ways to get fast healing and heal to max between every fight. Heh.

 

[Crothian]

Yes. Very unbalancing. It's why it's a Very Bad Idea™ to allow a ring of cure minor wounds at book guidelines.

Not the same. One is a magical item anyone can use the other is an undead template. If one allows PCs to eventually bneome Lich's I can understand maybe restricting it but for NPCs it is just not a problem.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

I don't heal anybody else
When I get all banged up I touch myself
Ooh I don't heal anybody else
Oh no, oh no, oh no

--Angemessenes Behaartes, Lich

 

[Infiniti2000]

Not the same. One is a magical item anyone can use the other is an undead template. If one allows PCs to eventually bneome Lich's I can understand maybe restricting it but for NPCs it is just not a problem.

It is the same. Liches have a LA and therefore are suitable for players per the rules. Whatever rule you have for liches works for PC and NPC liches.

 

[Crothian]

It is the same. Liches have a LA and therefore are suitable for players per the rules. Whatever rule you have for liches works for PC and NPC liches.

Actually, whatever I rule for NPCs can be for NPCs and not for PCs. And PCs and NPCs don't always use the same rules anyway. This power in the hands of an NPC is not a problem. In the hands of a PC that is at least 15th level (need to be caster level 11 and LA +4) it still is not going to be a big issue.

However that is still a lot different then a magical item especially one that can be gained lower then 15th level which is what I was saying and you jumbled it with the PC NPC thing.

 

[Infiniti2000]

However that is still a lot different then a magical item ...

How's it any different? If you have different rules for each, then why doesn't a "magic ring for NPC's only" not fit well within your system?

Regardless, the blatant inconsistency you've created is another Bad Idea™ and really has nothing at all to do with any of my previous posts.

 

[Quidam]

The precise wording with my emphasis is: "A lich without natural weapons has a touch attack that uses negative energy to deal 1d8+5 points of damage to living creatures..."

That's all I needed to know. I voted no.