Lizardfolk = ECL 4?!?!

[Darkness]

A lizardfolk with a +5 natural armor bonus has the equivalent of an Amulet of Natural Armor +5 that can never be taken off or dispelled, and is not spoiled by an antimagic field - unlike your Barkskin casting item, it also never runs out of charges and does not require being "put on" or "casted."

Also, an amulet of natural armor takes up one of the magic item spaces - so this is worth twice as many gp in comparison since it doesn't...

 

[Wolfspider]

Also, an amulet of natural armor takes up one of the magic item spaces - so this is worth twice as many gp in comparison since it doesn't...

And that goes the same for the half-dragon's abilities, or those of any of the monsters listed.

Like I said before, I think this is a poor way to measure power, since the magic item values weren't designed for such a purpose. It would be like using IQ to measure personal magnetism.

 

[Darkness]

And that goes the same for the half-dragon's abilities, or those of any of the monsters listed.

Like I said before, I think this is a poor way to measure power, since the magic item values weren't designed for such a purpose. It would be like using IQ to measure personal magnetism.

Not really. Anyway, I don't care either way, but I felt that this had to be pointed out.

 

[Wolfspider]

Not really. Anyway, I don't care either way, but I felt that this had to be pointed out.

Would you please explain? I'm not sure what you mean. Are you talking about my ill-conceived comparison? Perhaps I should have used something a bit more accurate, like using the COMPASS placement test as an exit exam--in other words, using a system designed to measure one thing to measure something completely different.

Or do you actually think that actually using gold pieces to measure racial powers is a good idea?

How much is a human's ability to pick his favored class worth? What about those extra skill points? What's the going rate on Elven Blood? What a bizaare economy that would be....

 

[Soldarin]

Personally I agree with the Half-dragon being +4 (face it, it is just better than half-celestial). I do not like most of the other numbers, but I'm also close to agreeing that a lizardfolk char ought to be ECL +3.

Aside from those pointless remarks, I'd say we try and lower the sarcasm rating of this thread a bit, so that we discuss instead of argue.

 

[Wolfspider]

Sarcasm? I assume that this remark was directed at me because of my "bizaare economy" remark. I'll try to tone it down a bit, but I get a bit annoyed when someone says essentially, "Oh, I disagree with you, but I don't really care, so I'm not going to tell you why." I love discussion and arguing a position (the two are the same in my mind)--can't you tell? I certainly don't mean for my sarcasm to get in the way of a good discussion. I certainly have enjoyed taking part in this thread.

Do you really think I've been that bad?

 

[I'm A Banana]

GP as Character Level

Actuall, I wounldn't mind seeing a magic-item to ability going rate...could be pretty interesting.

....How much is your life worth to you?

Makes me think of trading out GP for items for GP for abilities....creating a 6th level character, you could give them some magical item, or a special "blessing" that is inherent to the character (and saps up a lot of gold)....intriguing idea, even if it won't work as it sits now.

 

[Moleculo]

I think that They should make the half dragon template +5 ecl!

jake

 

[vermicious knid]

ECLs and extra HD

The nice designer fellow implied that EHD are worth at least 1 ECL(ECL can never be lower than EHD). What about scrapping EHD for most monster characters and starting them as 1 HD 1st lvl. characters, much like a drow or genasi. While this is obviously preposterous if we are talking about a dragon, it could work quite well with lizardmen or ogres.

Using this method a 1st lvl. Lizardmen druid would have 1 HD and ECL3, which seems like a pretty fair trade-off for his advantages. A 1st lvl Ogre would have 1 HD and ECL5. This character would have really low HPs(at least initially) but the reach, natural armor, and STR bonus would compensate pretty well.

What do y'all think?

 

[Wolfspider]

I think this is a great compromise for generally humanoid types of monsters. I asked Mr. Eckleberry about what he thinks the ECL would be of a lizardfolk without the 2 hit dice; maybe he'll get back to use with some thoughts.