Loki! (spoiler thread)

[Umbran]

+1. Loki has a prescribed role, as described in one of the initial episodes. I’m thinking their deviation from that role creates the deviant.

Which is in line with Loki not being alone as being so big a deviation that it could survive an apocalypse.

And this tells us why Sylvie's question didn't get answered. What are you going to do, tell her, "Your nexus event was the moment you decided to be a hero"?

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Perhaps it's a mantle of the Trickster God, be it worn by Coyote, Eris, Loki, or Bugs Bunny.

I doubt it. They're the same genetic entity, like clones or twins. (and yes, identical twins can have different assigned sexes, it's just very rare)

I think it was. At some point during the episode I think it's Sylvie that says that it was being born female that made her a variant. I think that it was just at whatever age they showed up at to grab her was when the variation reached the levels that they come to prune at.

Even if her gender was the deviation, it wouldn't be conception, just to nitpick. It'd be somewhere between then and birth. Assuming that Loki doesn't just...choose their own gender.

Yeah, my assumption is:

Prime Timeline - kid Loki (genderfluid) does action X, which the time keepers are cool with. He grows up and mostly uses a male appearance.

Branch Timeline - kid Loki (genderfluid) does action Y, which the time keepers flip out about. She escapes and decides to adopt a feminine appearance, perhaps because she learns about other Lokis and wants to distance herself from them.

As for what X and Y are, it might've been something as simple as X was "being a selfish piss-ant" and Y was "wanting to be heroic and save Asgard."

This fits a lot better than the idea that gender is what made her a variant. Little changes in the Thor or Avengers movies if Loki is female, but otherwise the same.

Which is in line with Loki not being alone as being so big a deviation that it could survive an apocalypse.

And this tells us why Sylvie's question didn't get answered. What are you going to do, tell her, "Your nexus event was the moment you decided to be a hero"?

The fall of the TVA keeps looking better an better. Also I still think the TKs are fake somehow, or they're Kangs.

 

[MarkB]

Yeah, my assumption is:

Prime Timeline - kid Loki (genderfluid) does action X, which the time keepers are cool with. He grows up and mostly uses a male appearance.

Branch Timeline - kid Loki (genderfluid) does action Y, which the time keepers flip out about. She escapes and decides to adopt a feminine appearance, perhaps because she learns about other Lokis and wants to distance herself from them.

As for what X and Y are, it might've been something as simple as X was "being a selfish piss-ant" and Y was "wanting to be heroic and save Asgard."

As I recall, Sylvie said that her parents told her early on that she was adopted. I wonder if that was the triggering event - by finding out early on, she didn't have the massive wellspring of resentment and harsh feeling of betrayal that drove the baseline Loki to turn against Asgard.

 

[Umbran]

Also I still think the TKs are fake somehow, or they're Kangs.

So, after scene with them, the question isn't, "Where are the real Time Keepers?" It is recognized they were fake.

The question is now, "Who created the TVA?"

 

[Zaukrie]

Did I miss anything not understanding what the robots said? Do I need to go back and re-watch with subtitles?

 

[MarkB]

Did I miss anything not understanding what the robots said? Do I need to go back and re-watch with subtitles?

The scene might make more sense, but they didn't drop any great revelations.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

So, after scene with them, the question isn't, "Where are the real Time Keepers?" It is recognized they were fake.

The question is now, "Who created the TVA?"

Fair enough. IMO the answer looks more and more like Kang, whereas in the beginning my money was on an older loki.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Imagine if they made an older Loki fill the role that Kang fills in the comics, and all the talk about Kang was just a misdirect. Like, the big bad of the next phase could be an as yet unseen Loki who sees himself as the one true Loki.

 

[pukunui]

Did I miss anything not understanding what the robots said? Do I need to go back and re-watch with subtitles?

The middle one greeted them. The one on the left asked them if they had any last words. The one on the right said they weren't a threat. The one in the middle then called Sylvie a "cosmic disappointment" and then ordered them to be deleted.

After the fight, the middle one called Sylvie "a child of the Time Keepers" and invited her to talk. She then decapitated him.

 

[Zaukrie]

The middle one greeted them. The one on the left asked them if they had any last words. The one on the right said they weren't a threat. The one in the middle then called Sylvie a "cosmic disappointment" and then ordered them to be deleted.

After the fight, the middle one called Sylvie "a child of the Time Keepers" and invited her to talk. She then decapitated him.

Thanks, only that last one is interesting at all......