Lolth dead?

[Bluemoon]

As most of you know, the premise of the War of the Spider Queen series is that Lolth has fallen silent, her priestesses' prayers for spells are not being answered and no one knows where the Demonweb Queen is.

Fine, but I could swear I seem to remember that something was published recently by WotC where a group of adventurers slain Lolth in her home plane. I don't remember if this was in an adventure module, a novel, a short story, anthology, or whatever. I want to say that I remember it happened in the Greyhawk setting since Lolth is also worshipped there but I'm not sure.

Does anyone recall any of this or am I suffering from a feeblemind spell?

 

[NoOneofConsequence]

Queen of the Demonweb Pits always offered high level adventurers the option of slaying Lolth - has this been put into print as fiction/canon? That might be it.

 

[Alzrius]

As most of you know, the premise of the War of the Spider Queen series is that Lolth has fallen silent, her priestesses' prayers for spells are not being answered and no one knows where the Demonweb Queen is.

Fine, but I could swear I seem to remember that something was published recently by WotC where a group of adventurers slain Lolth in her home plane. I don't remember if this was in an adventure module, a novel, a short story, anthology, or whatever. I want to say that I remember it happened in the Greyhawk setting since Lolth is also worshipped there but I'm not sure.

Does anyone recall any of this or am I suffering from a feeblemind spell?

The events you are recalling are from the Greyhawk novel, Queen of the Demonweb Pits by Paul Kidd, the third book in (what was apparently) a trilogy about those characters.

To answer your question, that is completely unrelated to the Silence of Lolth. That novel (as well as both the novels before it) had glaring inconsistencies with canonity all over the place. The novels were (loosely) based off of the old 1E adventures of the same names, and in the one here it was quite possible that Lolth was killed, so Paul Kidd had it happen in his novel. However, that doesn't mean that it happened in canonity.

Older D&D veterans may remember that this isn't the first time Lolth has died in a novel - Rose Estes's The Eyes Have It began with the premise that Lolth had just been slain under the same events. Of course, that novel is also non-canon given that it is one of the worst D&D novels ever written (as are all of Rose Estes's books).

The question of Lolth being dead came up so frequently due to Paul Kidd's book that WotC, tired of answering that question over and over, put in a deliberate sidebar in the Forgotten Realms supplement Faiths & Pantheons talking about how the same deity on different worlds weren't affected by things that happened to aspects of them on another world - and it used Lolth specifically as an example, saying that if she were slain in her lair she would still be around in FR.

 

[A'koss]

You're referring to the Paul Kidd novel Queen of the Demonweb Pits where the Greyhawk heroes the Justicar, Escalla & Co. laid the smack down on her high & mighty drowness with a holy water trap on her home plane. Yeah, she's dead... but is she dead in the FR?

I seriously doubt the War of the Spider Queen series, which is FR based, and Lolth's death in Greyhawk are in any way related.

That said, you never know. It is oddly... coincidental.


Cheers,

A'koss.

 

[Alzrius]

Yeah, she's dead...

No, she isn't. Not even in Greyhawk she isn't. More recent products than that have talked about Greyhawk deities, and she's very much alive.

 

[ph34r]

Lolth > All w00t

 

[Sejs]

Lolth > All

Nah, nah, you got that a bit wrong.

Half Celestial Gelatinous Cube Cleric>Pretty Much Everything Else>Pile of Month-Old Laundry>Lolth>Drow

*nod*

w00t

^_^

 

[MeepoTheMighty]

She only had, what, 66 hit points or so? She probably got killed by a swift breeze.

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Please explain the half-celestial/gelatinous cube comment... and how the heck does it gain cleric levels?

 

[The Forsaken One]

Awaken Ooze, everyone has to love that spell.