Lolth dead?

[AuraSeer]

That said, I don't really think you should read too much canon into the novels. If you did, there would be no Greyhawk; as I understand it, it was destroyed in one novel.

"I have developed power word: nuke. Send me all your gold."

 

[dcollins]

During Q1, Lolth was "only" a Demon Lord. Later on, Loth become a demi-Goddess and currently is a Lesser Goddess.

In the original Q1, Lolth was definitely a Lesser Goddess. Deity-level powers were given in a section called "Optional Abilities: As a lesser goddess, Lolth has certain attributes common to all divine beings. The DM may choose not to use these in this module, since a properly-played Lolth will easily destroy most invaders." (p. 32)

In the GDQ 1-7 supermodule, there is no ending where Lolth is completely destroyed... The Module stated that if she was slain her soul would be lost in the abyss but not completely dead and went on to say she would or could regain her status as a divine being, though merely a demi-godess 'at best'.

Note that this exists only in the supermodule republication, and not in the original Q1. In original AD&D, if you managed to kill a god on their home plane, they were really, truly destroyed.

That said, I don't really think you should read too much canon into the novels. If you did, there would be no Greyhawk; as I understand it, it was destroyed in one novel.

You're probably thinking of Gygax's series of novels which spanned the time when he was ejected from TSR. He began the "Greyhawk" novels while at the company... and after his departure continued them under the "Gord the Rogue" trademark. In the last novel "Dance of Demons" Greyhawk is destroyed, but it was neither published by TSR not had the "Greyhawk" title on the cover.

 

[coyote6]

You're probably thinking of Gygax's series of novels [...] In the last novel "Dance of Demons" Greyhawk is destroyed, but it was neither published by TSR not had the "Greyhawk" title on the cover.

The Kidd novel had a vast army of thousands or millions of demons, humanoids, etc., laying waste to some part of the Flannaes; I'm pretty sure that's not canon for Greyhawk, either.

 

[fnork de sporg]

Lloth isn't dead. She;s a cocoon. A huge multi dimension pupae, metmorphizing away. And when she emerges she'll be a Greater Deity, or at least intermediate. Nor more of this lesser for some one so popular and well known.

And when that's done with the drow are going to start some major .

 

[Alzrius]

Lloth isn't dead. She;s a cocoon. A huge multi dimension pupae, metmorphizing away. And when she emerges she'll be a Greater Deity, or at least intermediate.

She's an intermediate deity now; 1E only ranked gods as demi-, lesser, or greater. In 2E intermediate was added between the last two, and Lolth was regrouped as an intermediate god.

For a good listing of how the various early Greyhawk adventures stand in regards to the Greyhawk canonity as a whole, check out this page (which uses later products to reference how the older ones must have ended): http://www.cmc.net/~rtaylor/greyhawk/modules.html

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Note that this exists only in the supermodule republication, and not in the original Q1. In original AD&D, if you managed to kill a god on their home plane, they were really, truly destroyed.

Oh yes, Flexor enjoyed watching that fat spider b**ch squirm on the blade of his while her demonic life force drained out of her split open abdomen.


Goddess...Demon Prince...it's all the same when you are scraping them off your boot!

 

[Artimoff]

believe and both feature Justicar and his pixie (or sprite?) friend.

How dare you! Escalla is a faery.

I long for the day when Paul Kidd's Greyhawk novels will be as/more popular than Salvatore's Dark Elf ones.

 

[Alzrius]

How dare you! Escalla is a faery.

Escalla herself is an excellent nod towards just how non-canon the novels were...indeed, in a few instances of how the author was making things up as he went along.

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At the end of the second book, Escalla's father, knowing that she and Jus and still travelling together, gives the Justicar a longevity potion. But at the end of the third book, Escalla reveals that anyone who hangs out around faeries doesn't age. This has a quandary...why would her father have given Jus a longevity potion to begin with if he knew his daughter's very presence would keep him young? It doesn't fit.

Of course, we knew that when we saw the groups stats in that one issue of Dragon...oi, what they had to do just to make Escalla fit (since, as described in the novels, there is no such D&D creature per se). There was much head-shaking and tongue-clucking when I read that article, I tell you...

 

[Sejs]

Lloth isn't dead. She's a cocoon. A huge multi dimension pupae, metmorphizing away.

Into what? Lolth the Butterfy Queen?


I can just imagine the aghast look on all those drow faces their once sleek, deadly predator-goddess reappears as a flitting colorful ambasador of love and beauity.

 

[Gellion]

Killing Lolth is easy. All you need is a REALLY big can of Raid.