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5E Looking for a generic dark gothic style setting. Not Ravenloft.

Corpsetaker

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After having watched the Castlevania series I've wanted to run a setting based loosely around the series. I'm looking for a good generic Gothic horror setting. Anyone have any ideas?
 

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guachi

Explorer
I can't think of any, though the Grand Duchy of Karameikos from the Known World has some vampire/lycanthrope centered adventures and adventure hooks as the country is vaguely modeled on Eastern Europe.
 


vincegetorix

Jewel of the North
Mask of the Red Death? To be fair, its our world with fantasy gothic elements and D&D rules, but I think its a pretty fun setting.
 

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Sunseeker

Guest
As far as I am aware, D&D has put most of their gothic horror energy into Ravenloft. Paizo has the Ravenloft-spinoff setting Ustalav (formerly Markovia in the Greater Ravenloft Campaign Setting and now "the rift" thanks to legal issues) check it here. From what I can tell (and I am not as well read on Ustalav as I am on Ravenloft) Ustalav is apparently more "high magic".

My advice? Since I can't find one via google and I assume someone would have done it by now, take a look at all the tips for running and building a gothic horror campaign and simply convert Castlevania to D&D.

Personally, (and this is based on my 2E Ravenloft material) the Greater Ravenloft Campaign Setting has plenty of areas that aren't "Barovia" and don't have anything to do with Strahd, leaving plenty of room for gothic horror adventures in lands the vast majority of players will have never heard of, all with plenty of werewolves, vampires and mad scientists.
 

Li Shenron

Legend
Why not making your own? ;)

The needed elements are pretty much there in the core books. Work backwards by eliminating what doesn't fit.
 

Remathilis

Legend
Innistrad? Not sure whether that's "generic" enough.

As far as I am aware, D&D has put most of their gothic horror energy into Ravenloft. Paizo has the Ravenloft-spinoff setting Ustalav (formerly Markovia in the Greater Ravenloft Campaign Setting and now "the rift" thanks to legal issues) check it here. From what I can tell (and I am not as well read on Ustalav as I am on Ravenloft) Ustalav is apparently more "high magic".

Those would have been my votes for "pre-bundled" gothic horror campaign settings.

I'd be more interested in knowing about Markovia/Ustalav and the legal issues involving that. Is there a link discussing it?
 

Rellott

Explorer
The Morgau and Doresh areas of Kobold Press's Midgard setting (not in 5e yet but will be updated/converted soon)? Fat Goblin Games's Shadows over Vathek setting (only in PF but just steal the fluff and use 5e mechanics)?
 
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Herobizkit

Adventurer
It's super-old, but if you can find it, Wormwood: Rifts World Book One has a pretty wacky Gothic flavor. You could easily(?) divorce the mechanics and borrow the juicy bits. Some stuff (specifically symbionts) can be plucked from pre-existing 3e supplements (Complete/Expanded Psionics Handbook, I believe).
 

Irda Ranger

First Post
Maybe I'll ask the dumb question, but what's wrong with Ravenloft? Maybe if we understand your objection to Ravenloft we could better suggest an alternative.
 

DEFCON 1

Legend
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Maybe I'll ask the dumb question, but what's wrong with Ravenloft? Maybe if we understand your objection to Ravenloft we could better suggest an alternative.

Or you could just suggest an alternative if you know one. Do you really have so many other gothic horror campaign settings on the tip of your tongue that you don't have the time to type them all out? You need your vast array of gothic horror settings narrowed down for you first? You're a busy guy and can't spend a lot of time listing them all? ;)
 

Rellott

Explorer
Or you could just suggest an alternative if you know one. Do you really have so many other gothic horror campaign settings on the tip of your tongue that you don't have the time to type them all out? You need your vast array of gothic horror settings narrowed down for you first? You're a busy guy and can't spend a lot of time listing them all? ;)

I took his comment more in a "explain your thought process and you'll probably help yourself out as much or more as you help us help you." A lot of times when I make my students do this they arrive at their own conclusion, or I realize they're overthinking it. It's entirely possible the OP just needs to follow the KISS rule. Ravenloft, maybe with a few slight tweaks, seems like it could work just fine.
 

Irda Ranger

First Post
Or you could just suggest an alternative if you know one. Do you really have so many other gothic horror campaign settings on the tip of your tongue that you don't have the time to type them all out? You need your vast array of gothic horror settings narrowed down for you first? You're a busy guy and can't spend a lot of time listing them all? ;)

I'm not a fan of wasting my time by making suggestions that could be way off base because they don't solve the OP's objection, no.

Oh wait, I just replied to you. I guess I do waste my time occasionally!
 

Irda Ranger

First Post
I took his comment more in a "explain your thought process and you'll probably help yourself out as much or more as you help us help you."
Exactly. If we understand the objection we can make better suggestions. Just listing out 10 gothic campaign settings is stupid and a waste of time, without knowing what the OP is looking for.

Analogy time:
1: "Can you recommend a car?"
2: "Honda Civic."
1: "No, I need room for six."
2: "Honda Odyssey."
1: "No, I need ground clearance for dirt roads."
2: "Honda Pilot."
1: "No, my dad is a GM employee. I can get discounts on GM cars. No Honda."
2: //punches him in the face for not saying that in the first place//

Do you see how asking questions at the beginning would make this conversation more efficient?

A lot of times when I make my students do this they arrive at their own conclusion, or I realize they're overthinking it. It's entirely possible the OP just needs to follow the KISS rule. Ravenloft, maybe with a few slight tweaks, seems like it could work just fine.
This exactly what I was thinking too, that if we knew what the OP didn't like about Ravenloft we could just as easily suggest a way to "fix" that than suggest a whole new setting. Depending on how intrinsic to the setting the objection is.
 

DEFCON 1

Legend
Supporter
Except that he wasn't asking for a 'Type of Car' and then saying no, no, no... he was asking for 'Different types of Honda Civics'. And thus there are only like less than a half-dozen minor different variations.

You would have to have a long list of Gothic Horror campaign settings in your back pocket to make the time it would take to list all those out for it to be less of a waste of time than the several posts you've already made. ;)

A lot of times when I make my students do this they arrive at their own conclusion, or I realize they're overthinking it. It's entirely possible the OP just needs to follow the KISS rule. Ravenloft, maybe with a few slight tweaks, seems like it could work just fine.
This exactly what I was thinking too, that if we knew what the OP didn't like about Ravenloft we could just as easily suggest a way to "fix" that than suggest a whole new setting. Depending on how intrinsic to the setting the objection is.

And therein lies the rub. You could of course just not assumed the OP was completely clueless and instead accepted that he already knew that he didn't want to use Ravenloft, even with "tweaks"... and thus just answered the question plainly. After all, don't you think if he wanted to tweak Ravenloft he would have just asked for that?

And tell you what... rather than you both responding to my post right here, why don't you save yourself the time by using your time instead to just answer the question Corpsetaker asked in the first place: What's a good generic gothic horror setting that isn't Ravenloft? Even if you have a long list of them, I'm pretty sure he'd appreciate even just one or two of them that haven't already been suggested. ;)
 

Waterbizkit

Explorer
*snip* stuff *snip*

They won't have to respond to your post... I will. Who exactly appointed you thread police? Why is it you've taken so much interest in a couple of people asking the OP for some more information? The thread seemed to be cruising right along until you decided badger a couple of posters who had the temerity to... ask a question!?! The shock. The horror. Neither seemed to be antagonistic about it either, at least if they had been I'd get calling their motives into question. The OP is pretty sparse, asking for some further elucidation on what the OP might be specifically looking for seems pretty logical.

And before you try and spin this around on me, just know ahead of time: I'm not interested. I wasted my time on this post because I had the time to waste, but I'm not especially interested in following it up, what with not caring enough to and all. So I don't know, maybe let people ask questions and try to start a discussion on a message board without having to call them out on it for literally no reason.
 


Rellott

Explorer
And therein lies the rub. You could of course just not assumed the OP was completely clueless and instead accepted that he already knew that he didn't want to use Ravenloft, even with "tweaks"... and thus just answered the question plainly. After all, don't you think if he wanted to tweak Ravenloft he would have just asked for that?

And tell you what... rather than you both responding to my post right here, why don't you save yourself the time by using your time instead to just answer the question Corpsetaker asked in the first place: What's a good generic gothic horror setting that isn't Ravenloft? Even if you have a long list of them, I'm pretty sure he'd appreciate even just one or two of them that haven't already been suggested. ;)

I actually already answered upthread. And in my experience it's more expedient to assume idiocy and build up from there than to work at a high level and find out after a lot of wasted effort that you were working too high.
 

DEFCON 1

Legend
Supporter
I actually already answered upthread. And in my experience it's more expedient to assume idiocy and build up from there than to work at a high level and find out after a lot of wasted effort that you were working too high.

You must be a hell of a person to hang around with then. LOL.
 

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