Lord of the Rings Trilogy vs. Classic Star Wars Trilogy

Which if the two trilogies will be more "classic?"

  • Lord of the Rings Trilogy

    Votes: 100 86.2%
  • Classic Star Wars Trilogy

    Votes: 16 13.8%

kengar said:
LOTR

Star Wars was magic (E4)
Empire was a good action flick and a good sequel
Jedi was embarassing

Lucas has also lost a lot of respect from me over the last few years as well.
See, I quite like RotJ. In fact, just recently I've found myself liking different parts of it for different reasons.

But, like you, I think I can't esape a little bit the taint of the prequels. Not that I don't like aspects of them, of course, or that I won't be standing in line to see Episode III on opening day, but they fall way short of the mark as anything "classic" like Star Wars.

The same thing is partly true with the new novels and comic books and stuff. At some point, the universe should have been left well enough alone. :)
 

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What we really have to judge this on is not the quality of the movies, but their geekitude vs. mass market appeal. Mass market is important in case you want to invite non-geek friends to the marathon. In this department, LotR wins hands down, though really, non-geeks seem to hate the Star Wars prequels much less than geeks. For some reason, we had inflated expectations.

Geekitude is complex in this case. Both have a high native geekiness factor, so it comes down to which one allows more "geeking out." Geeking out is defined as arguing subtle, even grossly insignificant, points of a subject in what is, ultimately, the primary social power struggle of geek culture. Debates are generally decided by proving more advanced knowledge of minutae. The winner basks in the admiration of his peers and the revulsion or indifference of present non-geeks, while the loser goes home and chews on his own spleen while re-reading his copy of The Silmarilion or some form of Annotated Screenplay to prepare for the next exchange.

The frequency of geeky marathons in these especially geeky franchises will ultimately be decided by which set of films provides the most fodder for truly geeked out debate.

Star Wars has a lot going for it: The debate over the quality (or lack thereof) in the PT vs the OT and the original vs Special Editions, the validity of the Expanded Universe material, whether Lucas really had a metaplot or has been flying by the seat of his pants, not to mention all the merchandizing material and Lucas' various positions on the nature of the film medium and his ownership of his "art" and ability to reimagine it, etc. All excellent opportunities to prove your geekhood.

But LotR creams it.

Just keeping to the movies, there are the differences between the theatrical and expanded versions. There is the wealth of geekhood inherent in the extra discs of the Expanded sets. Once you bring in the books, it becomes a geek out extravaganza. Comparison of the book to the movies and debate over the changes is just the beginning. These are broken down already on plot, theme, and filmability merits, and it promises to get more detailed as time goes by. The possibility of a live action Hobbit will be the stuff of internet gossip for years, I think. And the filmability of the Silmarillion will, of course, be debated. The impact of the Appendices and the Silmarillion on the films, the literary value of Tolkien's work, in and of themselves and as fodder for movies, the success of LotR as an adaption of the novel vs as a film in and of itself.

There is so much potential geekiness and fodder for the endless debates that geek culture seems to enjoy that the Lord of the Rings is the clear winner in this struggle. But I expect some of you will debate me.
 

Joshua Dyal said:
What a surprise; our two "old timers" prefer classic Star Wars! :)

The single greatest moment I've ever had in a theater was sitting at a Drive In in 1977 and seeing the opening shot of Star Wars. I was slack jawed. I didn't think the Star Destroyer would ever end! I've yet to have a moment like that at any other movie I've ever seen. The great thing is when I pop in the VHS I get the same feeling everytime. I get the rush when Obi-Wan walks into the room and there is Vader waiting with saber in hand. I get goosebumps when Vader turns to some poor unfortunate lacky who happened to be manning the tractor beam station or just happened to be standing there when Han Solo was the target and got away. The two saber fights between Luke and Vader are amazing and powerful. Man oh man.

There are two kinds of sci-fi/fantasy movies, the Star Wars trilogy and all the rest. The LotR flicks are great movies no doubt, but I personally have a problem with seemingly pointless changes to a movie adapted from a book I liked. So I nitpick instead of ignore when watching the Two Towers, I was able to put that on hold when watching Fellowship. I don't think I'll be able to do it during RotK.
 

Canis said:
What we really have to judge this on is not the quality of the movies, but their geekitude vs. mass market appeal. Mass market is important in case you want to invite non-geek friends to the marathon. In this department, LotR wins hands down, though really, non-geeks seem to hate the Star Wars prequels much less than geeks. For some reason, we had inflated expectations.
I dunno for sure where this is going. Star Wars marathons were something that I knew about from lots of big dorm and frat parties and the like. Neither of these two trilogies is really a geek phenomena; both are having insane mass market appeal and success.
 

Joshua Dyal said:
I dunno for sure where this is going. Star Wars marathons were something that I knew about from lots of big dorm and frat parties and the like. Neither of these two trilogies is really a geek phenomena; both are having insane mass market appeal and success.

I disagree. The appeal of Star Wars has waned in many people's eyes. I haven't been able to talk people into watching a *single* Star Wars movie in years, much less a marathon, whereas I've got non-geek friends wanting to borrow my Expanded Edition LotR DVDs and people who want to have a marathon before we go see Return of the King this weekend. I haven't seen any of the OT Star Wars movies in about 4 years, because I can't talk anyone into watching them, geek or not, and I don't like watching movies by myself nearly as much.

But that wasn't really my point, anyway. You specifically said "geeky marathons" in the initial post which I interpreted as marathons put on by geeks. IME, most geeks derive more pleasure from the BSing when the movie is over than from the movie itself. (I've been known to fall among their number myself, shockingly) I did not include in my thoughts the non-geeky guys who decide to catch up on their childhood with some Star Wars one evening or anything like that.
 

To me, it's easy. Lord of the Rings. Mainly because it's the flavor of the month. Star Wars has been out for awhile. I've watched them back to back several times now, as have many others. LotR's brand new, so it's time in the sun as the geek marathon du jour is yet to begin.
 


Canis said:
I disagree. The appeal of Star Wars has waned in many people's eyes. I haven't been able to talk people into watching a *single* Star Wars movie in years, much less a marathon, whereas I've got non-geek friends wanting to borrow my Expanded Edition LotR DVDs and people who want to have a marathon before we go see Return of the King this weekend. I haven't seen any of the OT Star Wars movies in about 4 years, because I can't talk anyone into watching them, geek or not, and I don't like watching movies by myself nearly as much.
My experience has been the opposite. I can almost always get folks up to watch (or talk about) some Star Wars, geek or no. And I've never actually been to a truly geek Star Wars marathon, although I've been to several with folks I wouldn't call geeks. Meanwhile, when my wife tried to set up a big group of our friends to go see RotK again this weekend, we had a surprising amount of folks say they weren't really interested in Lord of the Rings amongst our "non-geek" friend crowd.
Canis said:
But that wasn't really my point, anyway. You specifically said "geeky marathons" in the initial post which I interpreted as marathons put on by geeks. IME, most geeks derive more pleasure from the BSing when the movie is over than from the movie itself. (I've been known to fall among their number myself, shockingly) I did not include in my thoughts the non-geeky guys who decide to catch up on their childhood with some Star Wars one evening or anything like that.
True enough, although my use of geeky was kinda throwaway in that respect. I agree that geeky marathons are very different than non-geek marathons, precisely because of the conversations held after the fact.

It helps to be married to a non-geek, though. Keeps me a bit grounded. ;)
 

Joshua Dyal said:
It helps to be married to a non-geek, though. Keeps me a bit grounded. ;)
My fiancee is only sort of a geek-lite, but we live in Ithaca, NY (one of the geekiest places on earth) and go to grad school, which is just an enormous geek-fest. Just in the last week, I've had 5 or 6 independent LotR conversations just in the lab.

It's really starting to affect my worldview :eek:
 

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