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Lost: 11/1/06

Hand of Evil said:
So, it is possible that there are two monsters? The smoke and then one that takes the form of someone in the past of the person?

1) Eko -- serious bad person - yep
2) Sun -- has affairs, may have murdered someone - did when she shot the other!
3) Sawyer -- murderer and then some.
4) Kate -- murderer - she killed her step-father aka real father.
5) Jack -- I think the full depth of his corruption has yet to be revealed - naa, he has just lost his faith, once he gets that back, which I think we saw in this one.
6) Locke -- It remains to be seen, but I don't think he's done with that undercover agent. I think he has found his faith, which was lost.

1) Eko -- Drug Smuggler, killed in men in self defense.
2) Sun -- Adulterer, Killed someone in self defense (Arguable)
3) Sawyer -- Premeditated murder, Con man
4) Kate -- Premeditated murder, thief
5) Jack -- Crisis of Faith...AT BEST.
6) Locke -- Struggling with anger...we'll see if the undercover agent thing leads to what put him in that chair.

I was a little uncomfortable with Eko being declared as "EVIL" and a "BAD PERSON" while the other characters got off with a generic "murderer" label. Eko, like the rest of the characters on this show are a little more complex than that. The entire reason why Eko became what he became was to PROTECT HIS BROTHER. This is something a few of you seem more than willing to glaze over in lieu of just declaring him some kind of monster. Obviously, Sawyer, Kate and Sun dont get judged quite that harshly...

On another note: Great going writers of LOST. Now all of the black male characters are either dead or gone. Thanks a alot...
 

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1-Ben's best chance at survival is if Jack goes with Juliette's plan. Let's face it, everyone Jack has tried to save since coming to the Island died, so maybe if he tries to kill Ben, he'll save him! (yes, this is tongue-in-cheek.

2-Until we know Smokey's purpose, it's hard to say why he/it killed Eko. Sure, it might be because he refused to confess/repent (the most obvious, but not my favorite), -but- it could be because he finally came to peace with his past. Pretty much every castaway has at least one thing in their past they regret, that we know of. The purpose of the Island is Redemption. Maybe by becoming at peace with himself, Eko finished what he was supposed to do on the Island?

3-At this point, Ben seems like a better person than Juliette. Of course, until we learn the purpose of The Others, it's not set in stone, but.. Geez.
 

Benry’s actions, and the actions of The Others, make sense – or as much sense as they can – if you realize they are operating like some kind of cult. On the face of it they are not being logical. However, logic is not an issue for them. Ideological obedience is important to them. Benry’s the one with the tumor, the one who is dying. Yet it was so important to him that Jack do the surgery because Benry had broken Jack, they he had people killed, kidnapped and put his own life in jeopardy.

I’m not convinced the Jabberwocky (i.e. smoke monster) and who or what creates the visions are identical. After Yemi vanished for the last time, it took several beats before the Jabberwocky showed up, and then it was off to the side behind some bushes. Yemi did not dissolve into smoke and attack Eko.

A lot of the shows integrity will depend on how they writers and producers handle resolving the Jabberwocky and Benry.

Who gets the flash backs next week?

And, who else is going to die?

P.S. It was a pity to see Eko go. Of all his actions, I had the least trouble with his killing the smugglers in the church and thought the closing of the church was an overreaction on part of the villagers – and the writers for that matter. However, his sudden lack of repentance, compared to his season long repentance last year, felt inconsistent.

If we assume the characters are on the island for punishment and repentance, and they are punished with death for failure to repent, then what about Libby, Boone, Shannon, Scott, the woman who downed, the man sucked into the jet engine, and the 100+ people killed in the crash itself?

This theory assumes they were all evil and deserving of punishment and death. But where is the evidence? What did Shannon and Boone do that warranted their fates? Being a kept woman and gullible – those then are damning sins?

The alternative is that they are all being ground into so much rotting meat just so things are cool for a few people.

Sun’s shooting of the Other woman in the boat was perfectly justified – she was facing capture and defended herself, but only after she ask to be let go and was told that was not going to happen. Yet she is condemned as a murder for it.

In a somewhat similar fashion, Jack is endlessly told to stop, give up and let go. He’s a doctor and his refuse to do that helps save lives, including Charlie’s and Sawyer’s - and helping his ex-wife walk again.

This seems to equate morality with acting like a sheep – you are only moral if you meekly let the world act upon you, beat and abuse you and generally use you up.

(Spits)

So, I wonder what next weeks episode is going to be like?

P.P.S. The show does seem to be getting rid of the minority characters; Hispanic Ana, Black Michael, Black Walt, Black Eko. I wonder when Sayid is gonna die?
 
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I think it was brought up on another thread ealier in the season on how the others got all this info on the survivors. And it just dawned on me. The others obviously have contact with the outside world, which means that when the plane crashed they most likely were able to get news feeds about the crash and able to get their hands on a passenger list. From there with their spies they can find out who survived and then run backround checks on all of them. And with Hanso foundations resources they could dig faily deep into their past.
 

Paolo is brazilian (well, the actor who plays him is brazilian, anyway). Hurley is mexican. Walt and Michael aren't dead.. And I believe Walt is rumored to come back at some point. Rose is black, but arguably not a major character. Also Charley is a brit.. Isn't that a minority? :p

Oh and next week is Kate's flashback.
 

ShinHakkaider said:
I was a little uncomfortable with Eko being declared as "EVIL" and a "BAD PERSON" while the other characters got off with a generic "murderer" label. Eko, like the rest of the characters on this show are a little more complex than that. The entire reason why Eko became what he became was to PROTECT HIS BROTHER. This is something a few of you seem more than willing to glaze over in lieu of just declaring him some kind of monster. Obviously, Sawyer, Kate and Sun dont get judged quite that harshly...

On another note: Great going writers of LOST. Now all of the black male characters are either dead or gone. Thanks a alot...
Eko was show to be a killer, he killed to save his brother as a kids but also last season shows him killing other drug dealers as part of his business (cut their throats while making a deal), then the others on the beach (did he have to kill them), and now more from his past. Eko was a very bad man, that chose killing to resolve problems and had no regrets.

Sun, may be up there to me, we just don't have all the info on her.

Sawyer has always been a bad guy to me, also no regrets.
 

Hand of Evil said:
Eko was show to be a killer, he killed to save his brother as a kids but also last season shows him killing other drug dealers as part of his business (cut their throats while making a deal), then the others on the beach (did he have to kill them), and now more from his past. Eko was a very bad man, that chose killing to resolve problems and had no regrets.

While maybe to you he didn't have to kill the others on the beach, I'd say going on a 40 days self-imposed mute state while carving the stick as a direct rection to the killing shows regret.
 

Remus Lupin said:
1) Eko -- serious bad person.
2) Sun -- has affairs, may have murdered someone.
3) Sawyer -- murderer.
4) Kate -- possible murderer.
5) Jack -- I think the full depth of his corruption has yet to be revealed.
6) Locke -- It remains to be seen, but I don't think he's done with that undercover agent.

Of course, there are a lot of other characters, and it's hard to see how they could ALL be that bad, but maybe that feeds back to the "good person/bad person" theme once more.

7) Jin -- Organized crime muscle
8) Desmond -- He was in jail for something
9) Charlie -- Drug addict, liar, attack on Sun
10) Shannon -- Incest, lying, stealing, Drugs
11) Boone -- Incest, violence
11) Michael -- Murderer
12) Syid -- Torturer
13) Anna-Lucia -- Murderer

So far the only non-bad characters that I can think of are:
a) Walt
b) Claire
c) Rose
d) Bernard
e) Libby - Killed before her lies to hurley were fully explored
f) Jack - We shall still see
 


1- you're missing Hurley in your list.

2-While I agree that incest is morally wrong, both Boone-Shannon could just as easily be victims of it as perpetrators. And if we go with moral wrong, Claire had a out-of-wedlock pregnancy.

3-Desmond was pretty much falsely imprisoned by Mr Dharma.
 

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