Lost: 11/1/06

[Cthulhudrew]

3-At this point, Ben seems like a better person than Juliette. Of course, until we learn the purpose of The Others, it's not set in stone, but.. Geez.

I don't know that he seems like a better person- after all, he savagely beat Sawyer a couple of episodes ago, has had the castaways imprisoned and separated, admits to formulating a plan to manipulate them, and is the one who ordered Michael to take out Ana Lucia. At this point, I don't think either of them is a very good person, frankly.

Heck, Goodwin and Ethan both killed people, but at least they were willing to get their hands dirty and do it themselves, rather than try and pretend to some sort of moral superiority by not doing it themselves and getting someone else to do it in their name.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

This theory assumes they were all evil and deserving of punishment and death. But where is the evidence? What did Shannon and Boone do that warranted their fates? Being a kept woman and gullible – those then are damning sins?

Shannon was a lot more than a "kept woman." She was a manipulator, who intentionally deceived and used men's feelings for her to get what she wanted. Pretty reprehensible in my book.

That being said, I don't buy into the theory that the purpose of the island is redemption. I think that might have something to do with what Smokey is doing, but I don't think there was any overarching goal to achieve that (possibly just faulty programming or something).

On another note- did anyone else have "Whatchoo talkin' bout, Willis?" moment when Ben mentioned that it was "no coincidence Juliette resembles your ex-wife" to Jack. Aside from being blondes, I don't see any resemblance between Elizabeth Mitchell and Julie Bowen. I'd certainly never mistake one for the other anyway.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

10) Shannon -- Incest, lying, stealing, Drugs
11) Boone -- Incest, violence

Is it really incest to sleep with an adopted or step-sibling?

[EDIT- I see I was beaten to the punch on this question.]

 

[Cthulhudrew]

I disagree with your evaluation of his intent here. My impression was that Eko knew that information about the sale would get back to the smugglers, and he was using it as a tactic to lure them into attacking him.

That was my first impression as well, but just because it never crossed my mind to think that he might have been actually thinking of selling them himself. When it was brought up in this thread, well- now I'm no longer certain that he was just trying to draw the smugglers out.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

Well there's that too. But while it may change thinsg legally, morally it's still messed up (They -were- raised as siblings, right? I forgot)

They were only raised together for a relatively short time- as I recall, Shannon was already well into her teens (maybe 15, 16?) by the time she and Boone's parents got married. I could be wrong (and it may be that it wasn't established yet), but I'm pretty sure that Boone was already a working adult when the two of them became siblings.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

The Others seem to have an agenda with the Losties far bigger than just kidnapping the spinal surgeon to operate on Ben. They wanted to take the Losties' children, born or unborn (Walt and Clair'e baby), they wanted to make sure the Losties are unable to sail far from their island (blowing up the raft and stealing Desmond's boat)...they seem to want to play mind games with the survivors.

You know- I just had a thought. I wonder if the child kidnapping thing (Claire's baby, Alex) might have something to do with the Others needing to keep viable DNA sources in their little community. All this talk about the Shannon/Boone "incest" got me to thinking about the Others and degenerative disorders from inbreeding. If they kidnap children and indoctrinate them into their way of life from birth, then they keep gene pools from stagnating.

 

[Brown Jenkin]

On another note- did anyone else have "Whatchoo talkin' bout, Willis?" moment when Ben mentioned that it was "no coincidence Juliette resembles your ex-wife" to Jack. Aside from being blondes, I don't see any resemblance between Elizabeth Mitchell and Julie Bowen. I'd certainly never mistake one for the other anyway.

Given thier selection of a dozen women to choose from I guess that is the best they could do. Unless of course Juliette was recruited years ago to be there for Jack's interogation

 

[Taelorn76]

I could see where it might have been a part of the plan to have Jack "see" the x-rays (since he did make the comment, "leave him there a little longer" after whatserface died- maybe hoping Jack would see the x-rays and "make the connection") but that theory was pretty well shot once Ben and Juliette had their little exchange about Jack seeing the x-rays.

Except that the X-rays were in the scrubbing in room while Jack was cuffed to the gurney with the body. Jack only saw the X-rays for the few minutes he was scrubbing in.

 

[Taelorn76]

I don't know that he seems like a better person- after all, he savagely beat Sawyer a couple of episodes ago, has had the castaways imprisoned and separated, admits to formulating a plan to manipulate them, and is the one who ordered Michael to take out Ana Lucia. At this point, I don't think either of them is a very good person, frankly.

Heck, Goodwin and Ethan both killed people, but at least they were willing to get their hands dirty and do it themselves, rather than try and pretend to some sort of moral superiority by not doing it themselves and getting someone else to do it in their name.

I don't think he was told to kill Ana Lucia. He was just told to free Benry. Killing Ana was his solution at freeing Benry

 

[Taelorn76]

On another note- did anyone else have "Whatchoo talkin' bout, Willis?" moment when Ben mentioned that it was "no coincidence Juliette resembles your ex-wife" to Jack. Aside from being blondes, I don't see any resemblance between Elizabeth Mitchell and Julie Bowen. I'd certainly never mistake one for the other anyway.

Yeah, my wife and I looked at each other, she said Benry really is crazy if he thinks they look alike.