Lost: Season 3 02/07/07

[RangerWickett]

How this episode would have been better:

After beating the crap out of the two Others trying to kill Sawyer, Sawyer electrocutes the guy. Then he shoots them both in the head while they're down. These guys are trying to kill you. You have no reason to want them alive. Kill them.

Since you no longer have this long chase around the island to avoid people shooting at you, you meet the girl, and shoot the guard at the door in the chest instead of threatening to shoot him in the knee. If the girl complains, you list the names of Steve, Ana-Lucia, and Libby -- people who have been killed by the Others. You tell her if she didn't want the guy dead, she should have stopped her fellow Others from killing Kate, Jack, and Sawyer's people.

Juliet never goes out after them, since they'll get away just fine. Jack talks to Kate, tells her to go and that he's staying so he can find a way for them to get back to civilization. Then, once he knows Kate and Sawyer (and the girl and her boyfriend) are safely away (which takes a few minutes less than it took in the episode because we have less d**king around), Jack asks Ben a few questions about the island. Y'know, ask some effin questions, maybe?! Why the hell else did you go there?! Based on how forthcoming Ben is, he decides whether to save Ben.

I am honestly at the point of saying, "I'm tired of the Others. You make no sense, you have never shown any reason for us to believe we should trust you, and you are in the way of us getting to safety. Unless the Others step up right now and give a sincerely good reason for the things they've done -- unless they stop being evasive -- they should be killed.

To be fair, we should explain this to the Others. We should say, "What the hell is up with this island? This island is dangerous, and if you don't tell me everything, I'll assume you want to hurt me, and I'll have to kill you."

There is just an irritating lack of dialogue on this damn show about the mysteries. If there were a single gamer on this island, he would be organizing people to figure out the answers, and it wouldn't have taken 70 days.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

Ethan Rom was apparently allowed off the island at some point. Or he came to the island for the first time around the time Juliet did. This also poses some interesting questions. If he was allowed off, then apparently people can leave. If that is the case, why did he go back. If he was shanghaied like Juliet apparently was, how did Benry manged to force them to stay? for that matter, how does he keep so many people doing his bidding?

Between their presence there, the fact that they knew about Juliet and the notion that Ben was going to let her go, seems to imply that there is a way off the island and that Ben can make it happen. We know that they had at least one boat of their own (though just a small one), and now they have two (with Desmond's).

IIRC, didn't Ben say that he'd never been off the island himself? If so, and if he wasn't lying, that implies that the Others have connections off island as well. Plus, Juliet's files on Jack from episode 1 of this season also seem to indicate that they have connections on the mainland.

All in all, then, I'd say it's safe to assume that at least some of the Others are going back and forth.

As to Ben's methods of coercion? Well, he could hold the threat of violence against loved ones as a means (like he does with Juliet), although that probably wouldn't be possible to do against everyone (after all, he needs someone to enforce those threats). Whatever hold he had over people like Ethan, then, is likely something else. Maybe he's just a very charismatic cult-like figure like seemed to be the case prior to this episode?

 

[Cthulhudrew]

Who doesn't see a bus coming.

You'd be surprised.

Could be that he wasn't paying attention, or just thought he could get out of the way first. When I was at ASU, a kid got run over by a bus when he tried to ride his bike across the street rather than wait for it to go by. The driver didn't see him until it was too late. Just plain tragic stupidity.

 

[IcedEarth81]

On a related note, not enough emphasis on the main cast

I think they are about to ramp that up, according to the preview of next week's episode. I think we are finally going to get the army that Jack and Anna Lucia talked about at the end of a Season 2 episode, and I like it. It's time they started being hostile right back to the Others. I still liked Sun shooting Colleen. I liked Sawyer slamming Broke-nose into the food button. I liked Jack being an a-hole to Ben, Tom, Julliette, etc. Now we will get Locke and Sayid in on the action.

 

[David Howery]

One thing about Julie's backstory... it showed she went through one hell of a personality shift in those 3 years. She used to be a trembling shy divorcee who was terrified of confronting her ex-husband. Now, she's an icily calm Other who has no qualms about shooting down people in cold blood.. not to mention, she can kick the hell out of Jack. Do you suppose that mind warping chamber that Carl was in had something to do with it?

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

Unless the Others step up right now and give a sincerely good reason for the things they've done -- unless they stop being evasive -- they should be killed.

Best post on LOST this season. My sentiments exactly. If an Other is not cooperative, tie them to that chain in the MindF k Room and leave them there for three or four days, and see if they are not more cooperative. Maybe some electro shocks with those tasers will help as well.

All in all, then, I'd say it's safe to assume that at least some of the Others are going back and forth.

That was my point, but we can't be certain of that as a fact yet. It does suggest there is no real quarantine binding the islands populations. Thus they are free to leave without the real fear of spreading something. So why do they stay? Why do they return?

 

[Wycen]

How this episode would have been better:

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What he said.

Unfortunately I'm one of the people who wants to know about the island and DHARMA, I don't care 2 shakes about most of the characters.

 

[Demmero]

If the girl complains, you list the names of Steve, Ana-Lucia, and Libby -- people who have been killed by the Others.

Dude...it was Scott that Ethan offed

The problem with killing the guards is that such an action would pretty much sign Jack's death warrant. Also, an execution like that might easily be witnessed by the Others (they had at least one camera watching the cages) who might themselves decide to declare war on the murderous Losties. And the Others have a pretty big technological edge if it comes to an all-out war.

That having been said...yeah, I think I'd be at the point where I'd be giving serious thought to killing Others if the opportunity presented itself. They might say that they're the good guys, but just about all of their actions say the opposite. The Losties have to be expected to defend themselves.

I still think there's going to be a serious slaughter of Losties at the hands of the Others in the not-too-distant future. With Kate and Sawyer getting back to the main group and giving them info about the Others and the second island, the Losties have become a much bigger threat to the Others' (seemingly twisted) way of life.

 

[RigaMortus2]

So, curious... The vials Julliette was stealing in the begining (in her flashback) looked like the vials people have been shooting up on the island. Is it possible that instead of "protecting them from a virus" on the island, that they are fertility drugs? And if so, is that how Sun maybe got pregnant? Anyone ever remember her using the drugs?

Also, do you think there was any significants to Juliette impregnating a male field mouse?

 

[EricNoah]

Between their presence there, the fact that they knew about Juliet and the notion that Ben was going to let her go, seems to imply that there is a way off the island and that Ben can make it happen.

An interrupted line between Tom and Jack while they were trying to finish up surgury suggests that the day the sky turned purple was a day of change for their ability to leave the island.