Pathfinder 2E Low-level Wizards in PF2 - are they still underpowered?

[MichaelSomething]

How about starting with three extra level one spells at level for the cost of never getting that tenth level spell slot?

 

[CapnZapp]

How about starting with three extra level one spells at level for the cost of never getting that tenth level spell slot?

You're no real wizard...!

 

[Puggins]

superior to just using a crossbow. But they're underneath what a fighter does - that ability to attack twice or three times a turn when the wizard can cast only one cantrip is significant. So, I want the first-level spells to be better... and I'm not sure they are.

Cheers!

You’re limited to one spell a turn? Clearly I haven’t read the book closely enough.

 

[FowlJ]

You’re limited to one spell a turn? Clearly I haven’t read the book closely enough.

You're not limited to one spell per turn, but most of them cost two actions to cast.

 

[Puggins]

You're not limited to one spell per turn, but most of them cost two actions to cast.

Cantrips don’t, though, and Merric referred to casting one cantrip a turn. Maybe he was talking in a different context, but using two electrical arcs followed by a ray of frost doesn’t sound very weak considering none of the spells suffer a multiple attack penalty.

 

[FowlJ]

Cantrips don’t, though, and Merric referred to casting one cantrip a turn. Maybe he was talking in a different context, but using two electrical arcs followed by a ray of frost doesn’t sound very weak considering none of the spells suffer a multiple attack penalty.

No, cantrips also generally take two actions to cast. They are also subject to multiple attack penalty if they have the attack trait.

 

[mewzard]

I mean, every single time you gain a new spell level, most cantrips go up an extra die in damage value. That 1d4+mod cantrip is 2d4+mod at level 3 and 3d4+mod at level 5. And keep in mind, you can crit on Ray of Frost for double damage.

That doesn't seem that bad.

 

[CapnZapp]

It still doesn't help the level 1 Wizard though...

(There really isn't much to discuss. At level one, everybody sucks badly, but the Wizard sucks worse than most.

Just suck it up, is my most comforting message...

 

[gargoyleking]

Hey, at least the wizard isn't relegated to popping off his two best spells and then firing a crossbow the rest of the day now...

 

[MerricB]

Cantrips don’t, though, and Merric referred to casting one cantrip a turn. Maybe he was talking in a different context, but using two electrical arcs followed by a ray of frost doesn’t sound very weak considering none of the spells suffer a multiple attack penalty.

Cantrips cost two actions to cast.