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Luke vs Vader.
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Black Omega
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Not only possible, this is quite likely. Though I'm still cheering for little Boba to get his shot at Mace.Lady Dragon said:
Holy Bovine
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Lady Dragon said:
I just re-read the Timothy Zahn Star Wars books (Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising and Last Command) and Zahn proposed an interesting solution to Yoda's ability to hide from Palpatine and Vader. The 'evil cave' on Dagobah, where Luke confronts a dream vision of Vader, was the site (according to Zahn) of a powerfully evil Jedi's death. This created a 'buffer' against which Yoda's own power of good was balanced against and cancelled out (at least as far as off planet detection goes). Remember Yoda lived very close to this cave - even though it was obviously filled with the Dark Side of the Force.
I think Palpatine and Vader only really became aware of Luke when he destroyed the Death Star. He became a great war hero at that point and his name would have been splashed across any and all Alliance propaganda. He was pretty inspirational if you think about it - a farm kid from some no name planet not only rescues Princess Leia from the heart of the Empire's stronghold but then returns and blows that same stronghold to kingdom come!
Also given how much horrible stuff happened to Vader on Tattooine I would imagine that he would never want to set foot on it again. Vader always struck me as the kind of person who could put things he didn't like out of his mind - literally. Maybe (and now I am reaching
) he had a mental 'blindspot' concerning Tattooine and it never occured to him to seek Obi Wan or Luke there.DocMoriartty said:
In my take it wasn't killing the Emperor that brought balance to the Force. It was giving the Dark Side a share of centre stage after 25,000 years of domination by the Jedi and the Light Side. Destroying the Jedi is what brought balance to the Force. And my understanding is that Anakin is slated to do that in Episode III.
I cannot make out why the Jedi Council might have thought that bringing balance to the Force would be a good thing.
Regards,
Agback
Lady Dragon
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you are looking at this from a D&D point of view of good vs evil,neutral equals balance.I don't think the situation with the force is that simple.
Yoda and Mace Windu discuss the fact that something is wrong with the force and that they are losing their Jedi abilities.
Its my opinion that it is the good side that is having problems not the evil side.I suspect that sith lords have existed all along just quietly hidding in the background waiting for their opportunity. The problem with the Force is the fault of the Jedi Council and their harsh rules and unforgiving style they are slipping toward evil.Please note that they do not always follow Yoda's advice. I get the idea that The desicion to train Anakin in the first place was made against Yoda's advice,perhaps in sympathy of Que-gon's death,but none the less over Yoda's head.
It is very possible that Anakin does balance the force at least in part by killing the Jedi Council literally.And he later finishes the job by killing the emporer,thus giving the Jedi a chance at a new start overseen by his own offspring.
The Jedi council by there own harsh policies are of course causing the own demise in a variety of way.First their policy agaisnt marraige must make it difficult to find new children to train since the ability is a genetic trait and if those who possess the ability don't procreate eventually the ability will be found in fewer and fewer children thus making the job overwhelming to those remaining.
It is my suspicion that in episode 3 when The Jedi Council finds out about Padme and Anakin's marraige At the least Anakin will be reprimanded and at worst he will be Expelled and Palpatine will be there waiting with sympathy and advice as he has been since he first met him as a child.And of course the fun will start from there.
Yoda and Mace Windu discuss the fact that something is wrong with the force and that they are losing their Jedi abilities.
Its my opinion that it is the good side that is having problems not the evil side.I suspect that sith lords have existed all along just quietly hidding in the background waiting for their opportunity. The problem with the Force is the fault of the Jedi Council and their harsh rules and unforgiving style they are slipping toward evil.Please note that they do not always follow Yoda's advice. I get the idea that The desicion to train Anakin in the first place was made against Yoda's advice,perhaps in sympathy of Que-gon's death,but none the less over Yoda's head.
It is very possible that Anakin does balance the force at least in part by killing the Jedi Council literally.And he later finishes the job by killing the emporer,thus giving the Jedi a chance at a new start overseen by his own offspring.
The Jedi council by there own harsh policies are of course causing the own demise in a variety of way.First their policy agaisnt marraige must make it difficult to find new children to train since the ability is a genetic trait and if those who possess the ability don't procreate eventually the ability will be found in fewer and fewer children thus making the job overwhelming to those remaining.
It is my suspicion that in episode 3 when The Jedi Council finds out about Padme and Anakin's marraige At the least Anakin will be reprimanded and at worst he will be Expelled and Palpatine will be there waiting with sympathy and advice as he has been since he first met him as a child.And of course the fun will start from there.
myrdden
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My disorganized thoughts...
Regarding the training of Anakin: At the end of TPM, Yoda essentially tells Obi-Wan that while he personally objects to training Anakin, the Council feels otherwise. My sense after watching TPM several times and AotC twice is that the Council has become mired in politics and the Jedi Order has become stiff and inflexible. Let’s face it, its been around for at least (according to the movies) 1,000 years (longer if you take the EU stuff into account) and probably has evolved into a fairly rigid institution draped in lots of history and tradition.
Regarding balance in the force: I have to agree with Lady Dragon that balance in the force makes more sense if it is not thought of as equal amounts light and dark. I believe GL is often quoted (although I have never seen the actual transcript of this quote, so take it with a grain of salt) that returning balance to the force meant removing the Dark Side from the galaxy. I think that this explanation makes more sense than having equal light and dark, which any reasonable Jedi would quickly deduce means a major culling of the Jedi herd.
Regarding the loss of control by the Jedi: I have to admit that this plot revelation surprised me a bit. But it nicely explains why the Jedi are not as effective as in the past. But what is the cause of this? I believe this has to do with the manipulations of the Sith over the past decade or two. Sidious has been manipulating events that have been causing conflict in the galaxy. This conflict causes a disturbance in the force (because of the powerful negative emotions of fear, hate and anger that are generated), which limits the Jedi’s ability to see the future or even the present. I believe that when the Clone War starts Yoda comments that “the shroud of the dark side as fallen”. Or something to that effect.
Myrdden
Regarding the training of Anakin: At the end of TPM, Yoda essentially tells Obi-Wan that while he personally objects to training Anakin, the Council feels otherwise. My sense after watching TPM several times and AotC twice is that the Council has become mired in politics and the Jedi Order has become stiff and inflexible. Let’s face it, its been around for at least (according to the movies) 1,000 years (longer if you take the EU stuff into account) and probably has evolved into a fairly rigid institution draped in lots of history and tradition.
Regarding balance in the force: I have to agree with Lady Dragon that balance in the force makes more sense if it is not thought of as equal amounts light and dark. I believe GL is often quoted (although I have never seen the actual transcript of this quote, so take it with a grain of salt) that returning balance to the force meant removing the Dark Side from the galaxy. I think that this explanation makes more sense than having equal light and dark, which any reasonable Jedi would quickly deduce means a major culling of the Jedi herd.
Regarding the loss of control by the Jedi: I have to admit that this plot revelation surprised me a bit. But it nicely explains why the Jedi are not as effective as in the past. But what is the cause of this? I believe this has to do with the manipulations of the Sith over the past decade or two. Sidious has been manipulating events that have been causing conflict in the galaxy. This conflict causes a disturbance in the force (because of the powerful negative emotions of fear, hate and anger that are generated), which limits the Jedi’s ability to see the future or even the present. I believe that when the Clone War starts Yoda comments that “the shroud of the dark side as fallen”. Or something to that effect.
Myrdden
Furn_Darkside said:
Palpatine's cousin owned The Bottomless Shaft Construction Company. At least a couple dozen were added to the specs of every Death Star.
The guy got his start when Palpatine was just a Senator, you know, landing a major subcontract for the royal palace on Naboo. Connections are everything in the construction business!
Wolf72
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Nepotism!!!
and of course Palpatine is the jewel of the family ... his cousin(s) is a just someone who needed a job
Cousin: "Please Cuz, your Ma said you could help me out" ...
Palpatine: "I'll see what I can do, I have some rather big projects coming up ... and never talk to me in public or call me 'Cuz' again!"
and of course Palpatine is the jewel of the family ... his cousin(s) is a just someone who needed a job
Cousin: "Please Cuz, your Ma said you could help me out" ...
Palpatine: "I'll see what I can do, I have some rather big projects coming up ... and never talk to me in public or call me 'Cuz' again!"
