Magic Jar and the Tarrasque

[shilsen]

Does the mage gain access to Ex abilities when he magic jars the T? I believe so. (short on time to look up the SRD)

If the mage gains access to SR, can he raise and lower it. Yes, he can.

So really the question is, what does the spell say about getting the target's abilities? If he get Ex abilities, mage gets SR, mage can lower SR.

...If nobody else looks the spell up, I will when I get a chance....

He doesn't get access to Ex abilities, which is why I argued that he can't lower it. I would treat SR for the mage in the tarrasque's body as always on.

 

[Abisashi]

Once the mage realizes that he can't lower tarrasques SR, he'll hopefully just attack himself; I'm sure Tarrasque can damage itself fast enough to kill itself (or rather, make so the characters can cast wish and make it actually dead.)

 

[GuardianLurker]

Once the mage realizes that he can't lower tarrasques SR, he'll hopefully just attack himself; I'm sure Tarrasque can damage itself fast enough to kill itself (or rather, make so the characters can cast wish and make it actually dead.)

Ah. Just figure out someway to hit with a *very* big rock (20x20x20 and solid granite should do), and then figure out some way to dump the unconscious T on the Negative Energy Plane. It may not be dead. It may not die. But at that point, who cares? It's not going to be bothering you anymore.

 

[Creamsteak]

then figure out some way to dump the unconscious T on the Negative Energy Plane

Very very bad idea...

 

[Sigdel]

I say meet them half way on the SR issue. The Big T does not have the grey matter or the desire to turn off it's own SR. The Wizard in the Big T's body has the smarts, but doesn't automatically know how to turn off the SR. Make the Wizard take an INT, WIS, or appropriate skill check to see if he/she can figure out the controls of the new body (for stuff like SR) . But if the Wizard already had a natural SR, don't make him/her take the check. The Spell-Slinger knows the routine .

 

[Felix]

He doesn't get access to Ex abilities.

If he doesn't have access to Ex abilities, then why is the SR on in the first place? If he gets no access, then wouldn't he not have SR at all? Having SR permanently up means he gets the Ex ability of SR, regardless if he can lower it or not, and since the mage doesn't get it, then he never has SR, and doesn't need to turn it off.

or

He does get SR and he can turn it off. You can't have it both ways; he can't gain the benefits of SR, and yet not have access to it. So take your pick, he gains the benefit of SR and can turn it off, or does not have SR and does not have to worry about turning it off because he doesn't have it.

then figure out some way to dump the unconscious T on the Negative Energy Plane

Magic Jar...
Plane Shift (with mage's body & gem)
dispel Magic Jar...
Plane Shift back.

That seems like it would work. At least you'd be shunting Big T onto someone else, eh? See what Sigil would do with it. Heh.

 

[Zephyrus]

The idea of Big T somehow becoming an umbral or undead creature is ... well.. I cant think straight anymore it scares me that much.


All in all though the MJar'ing is a good idea... but as someone else said, if Majic Jar doesnt let you have access to EX abilities, and SR is EX. then he cant lower it. SR also reads in most cases to be always up unless specifically lowered. So unless this particular Big T made a habit of lowering it and raising it when attacked its up I'd say too.

However, for the sake of cinima, maybe let the possing wizard 'struggle' to lower it, maybe requiring that they expend a spell slot (w/o casting the spell, thus draining the spell) to reduce the SR by 1d3 per spell drained. Maybe also force the wizard to make a willpower save or temporary INT damage each time they try it. Again, it may not be by the rules, but its dramatic.

 

[Felix]

Majic Jar doesnt let you have access to EX abilities, and SR is EX. then he cant lower it.

Forget raising or lowering it for the moment.

If you don't have access to SR, then you don't gain the benefits of SR. Meaning, the body of the Terrasque you have posessed is now without SR. If the thing is now without SR, you don't have to lower anything, because you now don't have it at all.

If you gain the benefits of SR, then it's clear that you are enjoying the benefits of a very high SR. If you are enjoying the benefits of an Ex ability, you have access to it. If you have access to it, you can cease or continue the ability.

Take your pick, but these are the two options.

 

[Randal_Dundragon]

I was one of the players facing the Tarrasque, and i can say that luckily it's sr didn't come into play. The reason been is that we managed to hit it with Lower Spell Resistance, and it failed it save by 1 or 2 points. We then got luckly again as the Tarrasque roled a one for his save against the magic jar spell. The DM wasn't pleased with her dice.

 

[UltimaGabe]

The reason been is that we managed to hit it with Lower Spell Resistance, and it failed it save by 1 or 2 points.

Um... correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the tarrasque have a +30someodd Fortitude Save? Just WHO was casting a 4th-level spell with a Save DC higher than 31? (You'd have to have an ability score of over 44 in order to get a DC that high, and that's assuming that the tarrasque only had a +30, and he rolled a 1. And if you've got a spellcasting ability score higher than 44, you should be fighting things other than the Tarrasque.)