Major Image with more than the caster can perceive?

[Kahuna Burger]

Major image says that the illusion created can include "sound, smell and thermal illusions" as well as visual. Should an illusionary smell be good enough to fool creatures with the scent ability, if the caster doesn't have that ability? Or, in broader terms, can a caster create an illusion that they themselves could not distinguish?

Another example might be a color blind caster creating a double of themselves with major image. Will they get their own hair color right if they have never seen it? What if the caster was entirely blind?

 

[Mistwell]

Mirror Image established that a figment spell can replicate something that even the caster cannot perceive, like your color blind example. So I would say you can replicate smell and color even if you have trouble distinguishing those things.

 

[Kahuna Burger]

Mirror Image established that a figment spell can replicate something that even the caster cannot perceive, like your color blind example. So I would say you can replicate smell and color even if you have trouble distinguishing those things.

Hrm, personally I would be loath to assume that what is true for such a straightjacketed and unadaptable spell is true for one that you can create anything with. You can do both more and less with a camera than you can by drawing a picture. But it is a good data point to work from.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Mirror Image established that a figment spell can replicate something that even the caster cannot perceive, like your color blind example. So I would say you can replicate smell and color even if you have trouble distinguishing those things.

With what limitations, though?

If I'm hunting a Snipe, but I have no idea what a Snipe looks like, can I cast a Major Image of a Snipe to study, so that I'll know one when I see one?

-Hyp.

 

[Kahuna Burger]

With what limitations, though?

If I'm hunting a Snipe, but I have no idea what a Snipe looks like, can I cast a Major Image of a Snipe to study, so that I'll know one when I see one?

-Hyp.

heh, there you go.... Or if you just hear the snipe in the dark, can you use the casting to see what it was you heard?

 

[Nifft]

I'd say the magic draws on the preconceptions of the viewer(s), so that you make something which looks as good as you can, and the magic fills in the rest.

In the silly examples, you'd create an image of what you think a snipe should look like... and you'd find it quite convincing, depending on your Will save.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Kahuna Burger]

I'd say the magic draws on the preconceptions of the viewer(s), so that you make something which looks as good as you can, and the magic fills in the rest.

In the silly examples, you'd create an image of what you think a snipe should look like... and you'd find it quite convincing, depending on your Will save.

Cheers, -- N

But in the silly example, will someone else see it and think it's a snipe? Or will they percieve an invisible snipe? Or werely see an image of what the caster thinks a snipe should look like?

I'm willing to go with the preconceptions of the veiwer theory - if they get a will save automaticly and not just when interacting with it.

 

[Hypersmurf]

In the silly examples, you'd create an image of what you think a snipe should look like... and you'd find it quite convincing, depending on your Will save.

And if you've got no sense of smell, then when you create a Major Image of an orc, will it smell like what you imagine an orc might smell like (based on the descriptions of how scents and odours register, from your smelling friends), or will it smell like an orc?

Will someone who's seen a snipe recognise your image as being a snipe? Will someone who's smelled an orc recognise your illusion as smelling like an orc?

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

Ah, but what if it was an invisible orc?

 

[Kahuna Burger]

Ah, but what if it was an invisible orc?

This train of thought got started because in last night's game an invisable foe used major image to create an "invisible illusion" of herself to distract the party and their summoned celestial dogs with sounds and smell while she engaged in some rules and logistics sketchy behaviour elsewhere. But she wasn't an orc.