male playing female PC

Numion said:
I've had a player who every now and then playes a female. IMO it's not that good an idea, and I've decided not to allow it in the future. It's just a bit too creepy, if you know what I mean?

Uh, no, no I don't.... :p

Since this thread obviously has brought forth a lot of opinions, I think a more detailed explaination would be more helpful. Clearly a lot of people here won't know what you mean, because they themselves don't find it the least bit creepy.

Kahuna Burger
 

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Maybe we should make one of these damn thread sticky...

1. The Race Analogy: The idea of a human being playing an elf or dwarf being analogous to a male playing a female is absurd. That's because there is no living model of a fully 3-dimensional dwarf or elf character. Perhaps if there really were elves and dwarves in the world, people's reactions to humans playing them might be similar to the general reaction to men playing women ie. "Oh my God, this guy doesn't have a clue about real elves. The elves I know aren't anything like that. I don't think he has the slightest clue about elven motivation and thought patterns."

Not all men, and not all women, have the same motivations and thought patterns.

2. Easily Adapted Classes: If men are to consider playing women, I'd suggest looking for character types based on attributes that men and women use similarly. I would suggest that, for instance, playing a female Fighter, Paladin or Barbarian would be a lot easier for most men than playing a female Rogue, Sorceror or Bard.

Damn, I'm playing an aristocrat/sorceress !

3. Stay Away From Sex: If you're going to play a female character, try to stay away from romance and sex.

Damn, said aristorceress is involved in these kind of things. I don't see that really masturbatory nor disruptive, but maybe I'm blind. I thought the risk was deafness, not blindness, though. :p

4. Game With Someone Female: I recommend strongly against men playing female characters in games where there are no female players or GM. Female players are going to be the first people to notice you failing to play a truly female character and can provide you with advice and correction if your character seems to be heading off-track. Also, by having an actual model of female behaviour present the whole time you're playing, you can have constant inspiration on which to base your gaming.

The girl who play in our group would be rather surprised to hear she could be an actual model of female behaviour. There's even a risk she would take that as some sort of sarcasm.

5. Dice-Based Interactions: If you don't follow my advice and choose to build a socially-focused female character or you have a non-socially-focused character who finds themselves unavoidably entangled in a social situation, resort more readily to dice-rolling rather than playing-out interactions. Bluff, Diplomacy, Gather Information and other social skill rolls should be substituted for "acting like a woman" whenever possible. This isn't to suggest you should never roleplay but the processes by which women persuade men or other women of things are amongst the hardest female actions for men to comprehend and therefore play out.

Hmf.

6. Be Old: In my experience, it is easier to play middle aged or old women than it is to play women of reproductive age.

Damn, my aristorceress is 18!




But, hey, she's not just a woman. She's also a mercenary, by the ill vagaries of fate. An exiled heir from a fallen noble family. A stranger in a harsh world. A natural-born leader, with ambition the size of an empire and a desire for revenge. A sorceress. An inheritor of draconic blood. An orphan. A heroin. A wife, and a woman. There's much more than simply her sex to define her, there's her culture, her fate, her education, her borderline insanity and the presence of her inner dragon in her mind. The magic in her blood has a much greater influence on her (few of my mages are really sane, whether male or female, and whatever the game). Still, she's also a young woman, and I've received no criticism about my roleplay.
 

seasong said:
Of course, we are also left with the impression that women in The Bard's world are either shrews, crazy, or so innocent as to be devoid of personality ;). At least he didn't have the frigid/whore extremist dichotomy going on that seems so common among modern players.

Aw, c'mon, you telling me that Ophelia wouldn't make a rockin' PC? ;)

True, Shakespeare was as sexist and anti-semitic as his peers. But even he could see that males could play females without a problem.

And you could do a lot worse than modeling a villain after Lady Macbeth.

Daniel
 

Originally posted by fusangite
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Since everyone seems to be quoting and addressing this particular post, I feel a need to give my thought on it.

Everything he said is absurd. Ridiculous, condescending, insulting, and absurd. I figured it to be a troll.

Quasqueton
 


Pielorinho said:

True, Shakespeare was as sexist and anti-semitic as his peers. But even he could see that males could play females without a problem.

you're begging the question. Sure men could play women the way they were written. But its the writing thats more similar to roleplaying (in my opinion) and shakespeare's writing of women wasn't very good.

A mediorce roleplayer can play any role. A good roleplayer comes up with a role worth playing.

Kahuna Burger
 

seasong said:
Of course, we are also left with the impression that women in The Bard's world are either shrews, crazy, or so innocent as to be devoid of personality ;). At least he didn't have the frigid/whore extremist dichotomy going on that seems so common among modern players.
Two counter examples:

Lady Macbeth -- The Macbeths have the only happy marriage in all of Shakespeare. Sure, she GOES mad, but at the start she's a pretty well-adjusted woman.

Beatrice from Much Ado -- I'd marry her in a second! Charming, honest, smarter than most of the men around her...

I've also always been fond of Viola from Twelfth Night. She gets things done with admirable efficiency.

Huh? Hijack? What hijack?

Oh, Kahuna Burger -- "Philistine!" ;) (you did ask to be called one)
 

Kahuna Burger said:
you're begging the question. Sure men could play women the way they were written. But its the writing thats more similar to roleplaying (in my opinion) and shakespeare's writing of women wasn't very good.

Well, I'll address a relevant question, though it's not exactly the one you're asking. Sure, Shakespeare's characters, whether male or female, aren't the most realistic in the world. But they're *compelling*. Your opinion about his writing is, as you know, a minority.

At any rate, that was intended as a snide side-comment that pointed out that historically there's been no problem with cross-gender acting; historically, mature and professional folks have been able to do it easily and convincingly.

Daniel
 

Enough of Shakespeare! He was best known for his wit, not his characters! Away with him, and with him, away!

Kahuna Burger, I somehow forgot that you were female. I mean, you'd think I'd remember (considering how often my nick gets mistaken for a girl's), but I just keep thinking "king of meat patty".

Back on the off-topic...

I think it's more interesting that male actors in general played female parts, than that The Bard had anything to do with it. Actors in general, however, have always had a bad reputation among polite society, excepting the greeks, who had a bit of a reputation among polite society themselves ;).
 

One more point I forgot to make above: I personally think it's more important to have a compelling character than a realistic character, and I think most people know this in their gut. That's why you see a lot more brawny guys running around dungeons in plate mail than you see cleaning out stables. Sometimes, playing to stereotypes and archetypes can help you sketch a character out; as long as you don't overdo it, or do it in an obnoxious manner ("Hey, look at me! I'm a woman! Wanna have sex? tee hee hee!"), it can be a positive thing.

Daniel
 

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