[Malhavoc] cry havoc!

[rounser]

Probably why nothing was put in the 3.0 or 3.5 DMG.

Nope, apparently the reason was because Chainmail was going to be the mass combat system for D&D.

 

[Emiricol]

Nope, apparently the reason was because Chainmail was going to be the mass combat system for D&D.

As opposed to the other 3 versions and X number of printings that didn't include such rules in the already-250-pages DMG...

 

[Olive]

Circular argument anyone?

 

[Emiricol]

It isn't circular. Just cause/effect.

I am saying that the cause is that there wasn't room, need or precedent. The other cause being pushed by Monte is that it was all because of Chainmail.

Either way the effect is the same.

 

[Olive]

It isn't circular. Just cause/effect.

I am saying that the cause is that there wasn't room, need or precedent. The other cause being pushed by Monte is that it was all because of Chainmail.

Either way the effect is the same.

two different meanings of argument. I wasn't saying that your argument was circular, I was saying that the argument in this thread is circular. One person quotes Monte, the next mentions there had never been one, and where's the room anyway. Etc.

I want to see a review tho. But my campaign would be completely different if this had been out when we started.

 

[Emiricol]

lol okay I get it. Yes, I'm looking forward to some reviews, too. I'm optimistic, due to the team that did it...

 

[rounser]

I am saying that the cause is that there wasn't room, need or precedent.

I'd put it on par with the need for rules for D&D underwater, which also didn't make the cut. Doesn't mean it's not needed.

 

[Olive]

I'd put it on par with the need for rules for D&D underwater, which also didn't make the cut. Doesn't mean it's not needed.

Hmmm... on par would depend on the campaign, but it's interesting to note that underwater rules (which take less space) did make the revised cut.

 

[rounser]

There's also the chicken and egg problem of, if rules for doing X aren't available, then DMs probably won't incorporate X much or at all, which can then be used as "evidence" of low priority for including X as an option.

 

[Emiricol]

Except for both versions of BattleSystem. Presto! Instant egg!