D&D (2024) Martial vs Caster: Removing the "Magical Dependencies" of high level.

[HammerMan]

you might have focused too hard on the specific phrasing of 'military rank' i just couldn't think of a more apropriate term, what i meant was that your name carries weight, people have heard of your deeds and know what you do, you yourself have some level of inherent authority just because of who you are rather than any official designations, think of how the rank and file soldiers followed gandalf's orders in the battle of whitecastle, he wasn't their official leader but he could take command of them because he obviously knew what he was doing in battle, leaders took time out of business to meet him because when gandalf advises you listen to him.

Commander Riker is second in command of the flagship of the federation. At least one. A month he is involved in something big and huge. When he says commander Riker it means something.
Commander Sisco commands the station at the work hole. He has stopped life ending threats less than the flag ship but he is newer to command. When he says commander Sisco it mean something.

Captian Jellico out ranks then both, but no one has ever heard of him (if you know you know #Jelliciowasright)

Being in the spot light and having y the same thing.

 

[HammerMan]

Only thing is, as DM, I don't actually want to win. Winning is easy. I can kill a party without any problem. So, I have to include stuff that messes with highly dangerous magic, but only so much. And, of course, every 2 levels the casters get an entirely new suite of options that counter the things that you did to counter the lower level spells.

This is so perfectly said.

It starts real early though.

I design a dungeon with a 25ft gap/pit you need to get over. No fighter or rouge of any level is jumping it but a few skill checks and creativity can get someone across and then pull a rope to just hand over hand it.

You can get a hood ten minutes if gaming out of that.. or you can spider climb/mysty step/fly and say done.

So spend time and rp and think or just push a button on your sheet and spend a resource (or not I think you can get spider climb at will)

An arcane locked door has a clue that there is a mystic key on a guard. You can go find the key kill or bribe the guard get the key come back or cast knock.

When you throw around 10+ spells a day you get quite a few of these.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I mean much easier is relative.
It’s easier for me to run my lawn mower and ignore the edging and weeding. It’s harder for me to make the yard look great. If I twice this summer run my lawn mower people will not think I did my yard often enough but that didn’t mean the times I did I didn’t take the east way out

No, man, what wotc does with adventures is making the lawn look good, it just isn’t doing it the way you personally want.

 

[Mistwell]

The problem is, this is something we only have to worry about with spells. It's not like we have to do anything particularly special to make a high level dungeon challenging to a non-caster.

You mean like really good armor? Damage resistances? Environmental dangers and terrain effects? Things which target a fighter's weakest saves?

Sometimes I wonder if the people making this complaint have even played a high level fighter. In my experience the spellcasters are critical for the boss monster battles while the non-spellcasters are critical for the bread and butter battles you go through to get to those boss battles and adventures tend to seek out the weaknesses of both types.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Commander Riker is second in command of the flagship of the federation. At least one. A month he is involved in something big and huge. When he says commander Riker it means something.
Commander Sisco commands the station at the work hole. He has stopped life ending threats less than the flag ship but he is newer to command. When he says commander Sisco it mean something.

this is focusing too much on official ranks for me to feel like you understood the point of my post,

my point it that the fighter doesn't have any military ranks, they are in any official capacity Just Some Guy with no actual authority, but to anyone who recognises their name, it can carry weight and significance functionally equal to those ranks while existing entirely independent of any official chains of command, because those people have heard the stories, they recognise that they have done great deeds, and they will listen to the fighter and follow their orders purely by fact of who they are.

so the higher level a fighter becomes the bigger their reputation and the more weight their name will carry and more people in higher positions will cede to their wishes or listen to their advice, be that a lost military unit, a foreign king, a local guildmaster or another hero/adventurer.

Captian Jellico out ranks then both, but no one has ever heard of him (if you know you know #Jelliciowasright)

i do not know.

Being in the spot light and having y the same thing.

sorry i can't parse what the missing word is meant to be here.

 

[HammerMan]

No, man, what wotc does with adventures is making the lawn look good, it just isn’t doing it the way you personally want.

I didn’t even say if I like the adventures or not. It was still the easy way

 

[HammerMan]

this is focusing too much on official ranks for me to feel like you understood the point of my post,

Okay

sorry i can't parse what the missing word is meant to be here.

Rank

Being known isn’t a function of rank.

I would not give the doctor a rank but I am sure in modern who most soldiers know to be happy if he is on your side and scared if he is on the other.

 

[James Gasik]

Commander Riker is second in command of the flagship of the federation. At least one. A month he is involved in something big and huge. When he says commander Riker it means something.
Commander Sisco commands the station at the work hole. He has stopped life ending threats less than the flag ship but he is newer to command. When he says commander Sisco it mean something.

Captian Jellico out ranks then both, but no one has ever heard of him (if you know you know #Jelliciowasright)

Being in the spot light and having y the same thing.

Captain Jellico makes Riker look like a total ass.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I didn’t even say if I like the adventures or not. It was still the easy way

It isn’t the “easy way”, it’s just a style of adventure that there isn’t as much demand for.

I hate to say it but being in a mega dungeon seems the only way to get WoTC to even try

this is what you said. It’s an absurd, asinine, statement, based on nothing at all.

The idea that wotc isn’t trying with other adventures is laughable. Most of their adventures are more creative and interesting than any mega dungeon they’ve made.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Rank

Being known isn’t a function of rank.

I would not give the doctor a rank but I am sure in modern who most soldiers know to be happy if he is on your side and scared if he is on the other.

yes that's my point, the Doctor doesn't have a rank but he still has a certain level of De Facto authority within the military simply because of who he is, soldiers hear his name and will take orders from him the same as if it were their commanding officer giving them.