D&D (2024) Martial vs Caster: Removing the "Magical Dependencies" of high level.

[doctorbadwolf]

Sorry. Where is that from?

It’s an idea

 

[Gammadoodler]

In other words, "flavor".

Maybe? In either case, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

 

[Hussar]

If the bar for explanation is a single adverb (nimbly), then why can’t this apply to fighters.

And note, the automatic success power of rogues - which would allow them to walk on clouds - has no such explanation.

 

[TaranTheWanderer]

That is what I mean about a doublestandard between the Rogue and Fighter.

The strict nonmagicality only applies to a Fighter.

The rogue is sold as a non-magical class. It even has the Arcane Trickster as a 'package' to make it magical.

 

[Vaalingrade]

But the reverse is untrue. If the players want their character to do something that is overtly impossible in reallife, there needs to be an explanation for how such a thing might make sense.

"I am a character in an overt fantasy story."

~FIN~

 

[Vaalingrade]

Yet it is unclear to me, how some players got so fixated on a nonmagical Fighter − and why not the Rogue?

Rogue, Barbarian and Ranger should all be allowed to be awesome without being forced to be magical as if having to provide their permit to have interesting mechanical choices.

 

[Yaarel]

Rogue, Barbarian and Ranger should all be allowed to be awesome without being forced to be magical as if having to provide their permit to have interesting mechanical choices.

Getting a "magical permit" "to have interesting mechanical choices" is exactly how 5e works.

 

[Yaarel]

There are some forumers who dont want spellcasters to have high level spells ... BECAUSE ... they dont want Fighters to be magical, and they dont want to feel inferior to spellcasters who are magical.

 

[Hussar]

Getting a "magical permit" "to have interesting mechanical choices" is exactly how 5e works.

Well sort of. Rogues have none. Frenzy barbarians have none. In fact it only seems to be fighters that are required to have a magic pass to get superhuman powers.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Alternatively, what if the towns person says

"In their youth, the mayor was a great adventurer. They fought and killed several dragons, their party once went down to hell and killed a devil prince. For a while, the mayor was a regular consort with agents of the fey. Somewhere in all that, something must have happened, because when they came back, they could fly. No one knows exactly what happens, but this sometimes occurs with people who have done great deeds like the mayor has."

Yeah I mean exposure to mythic powers def should change people.

I think Captain America is a decent cutoff point. He's been able to knock down Hulk, hold helicopters in place, can lift 1,200 lbs, run 60mph, and has a warlordy subclass going on. He could take down a non-world-ending dragon on his own if needed by leaping up to its face and making it choke on its own breath weapon.

As long as it’s a generous interpretation of Cap.

I would give my eye teeth if DnD would do this. One attack spell per level. One defense spell. Three “effects” spells.

Complete magic system in four pages.

Yes please.

I’d rather have broadly defined skill-styles types of magic with parameters to keep them in line.