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[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Well I guess that is all a little better but still. Why can't they just leave some characters dead? Does bringing them back really have much of an impact with the readers anymore?

Honestly, of those three, the only one I see as a problem is Uncle Ben.

At first I hated seeing Bucky back as the Winter Solider...but more and more he's become one of the better characters in Marvel's aresenal.

As for Mar-vell...well...I always liked him and hated his death. Sure, its going to happen again, but him being back is nice.

It definitely does have effect, though readers are used to it, to a point. But the simple fact is that comic mythology isn't static. Its constantly changing, and the only real important part is the core character. If a character is popular or a writer really likes him, they'll bring him back from whatever in a flash.

At this point, the only person I don't see coming back is

Spoiler

Goliath

, and that's because, sadly, he was more of a throwaway.

 

[Darth Shoju]

I don't generally have a problem with the actual heroes (such as Mar-vell) coming back to life, but when sidekicks and supporting cast (non-super) do it it seems pointless and cheesy. Just IMO of course.

 

[Klaus]

- It was revealed that ever since the Kree-Skrull war, a group of Illuminati (Xavier, Black Bolt, Namor, Reed Richards, Iron Man, Dr. Strange... I may be forgetting something) has been keeping tabs on the Marvel Universe.

- A subset of this group (Reed, Iron Man, Black Bolt and Dr. Strange) decided that the Hulk was too dangerous to be left around. So they comandeered a SHIELD-sponsored mission that had the Hulk destroying a satellite in orbit and sent the Hulk to a distant planet.

- There, the Hulk became a slave, a gladiator, a revolutionary leader and finally, the Emperor. He had a (superstrong, mind you) wife and formed a blood-bond with a cadre of monstrous warriors. He was going to be a father.

- But the ship that sent him to that world exploded, killing millions, including Hulk's wife Caiera.

- The Hulk has declared war on the Illuminati and is en route to Earth on his new stone spaceship to kick ass, with his monstrous allies in tow.

 

[ShinHakkaider]

Bucky IS back as the Winter Soldier, and was on the villain side for a while but is currently working with Nick Fury(who disappeared before the Civil War events). He's also on the list of characters out to give Iron Man a beating.

If you had told me a few years ago that I'd being enjoying a Capt America where Bucky has reurned from the dead I'dve laughed at you. However, Ed Brubaker has crafted some of the best Capt America stories in a loooooong time and has made Winter Soldier one of my favorite Marvel characters of all time.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

If you had told me a few years ago that I'd being enjoying a Capt America where Bucky has reurned from the dead I'dve laughed at you. However, Ed Brubaker has crafted some of the best Capt America stories in a loooooong time and has made Winter Soldier one of my favorite Marvel characters of all time.

Just a shame he had to do it over Nomad's corpse, though.

 

[horacethegrey]

Just a shame he had to do it over Nomad's corpse, though.

While it's too bad he had to die, I never really cared much for Jack Monroe. Though I'll admit that issue Brubaker wrote about him was a fitting send off.

And really, Bucky is a much more interesting character in the long run. Like Cap, he's a man out of time, but with the added burden of guilt of having to live with his actions as the Winter Soldier.

 

[Mycanid]

Ugh I've managed to miss all that. Uncle Ben? Geeeeze. Who's next, Gwen Stacey?

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Wellll ... in the recent movie .....

 

[warlord]

Marvel will never bring Gwen back. Sure they bring back her nastard kids with the Goblin (whoever thought of that NEEDS to die) and her 200 clones but it's never really Gwen. Because if they brought back Gwen they have to accept the fact her and Spidey are supposed to be toether.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

While it's too bad he had to die, I never really cared much for Jack Monroe. Though I'll admit that issue Brubaker wrote about him was a fitting send off.

Won't disagree on that point. It was well written, though I do miss the character.

And really, Bucky is a much more interesting character in the long run. Like Cap, he's a man out of time, but with the added burden of guilt of having to live with his actions as the Winter Soldier.

See, to me, there really isn't much different about Bucky and Nomad (with good reason, I expect, as the one was modeled almost completely after the other). Jack was a man out of time as well- he's the Bucky from the 1950's; he had to be put in cryo-freeze due to instabilities in the particular Super-Soldier formula used in his creation. The difference is that Jack has spent time among the people, as it were, during his Nomad days- getting back in touch with the modern world.

I can see where there are stories to be told with the Winter Soldier- his connection with Cap is always going to be much more fundamental than even Jack's is due to their history, and- as you note- you can play up the "Man Out of Time" stories with him in a way you can't with Jack (if only because they've already been covered, more or less, with Jack). To me, though, there just don't seem to be enough advantages to Bucky's story over Jack's that warrant killing off the Nomad character. (And from what I've seen, it doesn't seem like Brubaker is doing much with the Man Out of Time theme, either.)

I don't dislike Winter Soldier, and I've been remarkably impressed with how well the resurrection has been handled, I just think that there is room for Bucky and Jack. (Admittedly, I think Brubaker may not be completely done with Jack anyway- he certainly seemed to leave a little wiggle room with Jack's problematic memory in "The Lonely Death of Jack Monroe.")

 

[horacethegrey]

See, to me, there really isn't much different about Bucky and Nomad (with good reason, I expect, as the one was modeled almost completely after the other). Jack was a man out of time as well- he's the Bucky from the 1950's; he had to be put in cryo-freeze due to instabilities in the particular Super-Soldier formula used in his creation. The difference is that Jack has spent time among the people, as it were, during his Nomad days- getting back in touch with the modern world.

I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me. However, I still think Bucky is a much better "man out of time" character than Jack Monroe ever was, for the sheer fact that his lost years were pretty tragic. Bucky didn't spend all his time in cryo suspension like Jack did, he was brainwashed and turned into the Winter Soldier. His history as a Soviet assassin gives his character better gravitas and much more interesting story possibilities.

(And from what I've seen, it doesn't seem like Brubaker is doing much with the Man Out of Time theme, either.)

I take it you haven't read Winter Soldier Winter Kills yet, no? If so, read it now. This is a great "man out of time" story if I ever saw one, and pays great tribute to Marvel's Golden Age.