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Incidently Jemal you said you had a question for me in the IC thread. Was that the one, about Fireballs and Contingency's? - which I hope has since been resolved to everyone's saisfaction in a kind DM rule works great, but in my games I'll go with my interpretaion kinda way.

As to the clever uses, I see these "clever" tricks all the time, all the time. And I have used them myself, for example I had a Druid who once used greater Stoneshpe to seperate a vast block of stone in a cavern ceiling atop of several dozen giants, I did it once it was very efective I never did it again. I suppose my thinking goes something like this....

Shrink Item is a third level spell, its power should be comparable to other 3rd level spells, if there is a way to exploit shrink item which makes it better than comparable spells of significantly higher level then shrink item ought not be allowed to be used in that way.

It also matters how someone comes to a "clever" usage of a spell - for me at least. If they read a spell and figure out said clever usage, for example, that is preferable to I did this once and it worked great so I'll do it agin, or the even worse I read about someone who did this so I will repeat it.

I don't know I guess I like power gameing, but somethings seem too easy. Polymorph is so wonderfully exploitable I cannot bring myself to use it, sure its kinda cool the first time the Wizard changes the Fighter into a Hydra, but when it becomes a default combat measure, not so much. As for Shapechange, 'e gads! Even with Monster Manual only available there are forms that for our purposes are almost instant win, I won't say what forms, but they have not cropped up yet.
 

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So Albedo, are we going to have to spend a large amount of time trying to gank each other and not get ganked ourselves? Because I'm both far too inexperienced at that kind of thing to stand a chance, and don't find it much fun.
 

Dire Lemming: I do have to say that I'm a little offended with the way you describe my character's entrance. No flash, class, etc.

First off, let me say again that I wasn't out to get you. I was originally going to use a high powered vampiric touch or your summon and then high five the lich. When I realized your summon was gone, I had to make up a better option, which was to hit one of his 'peers' with a spell.

The whole point of Alphina's entrance, as Halford hit on the nose, was to point out "Don't mess with me." Its the same reason Alphina is going to carry around a Scythe 24/7 as deterance. My original entrance was going to show off the fact that Alphina could cast an effectively 12th level metamagic spell, but that kinda fell through =/

Finally, I have to agree with Jemal here, You do decent posts, and your character is nifty. That said, Maybe this really isn't your kind of game. I mean, just to put it simply, what DOES your charachter do? He's a pacifist, so he doesn't want to fight anyone, and since this isn't a traditional game, at least from what I can tell, we're rarely going to get spoon fed into a party situation where your character 'has' to fight.

Now, I'm not saying that this campaign is going to 24/7 combat. But hell, its dozens of high level egos... er... mages, crammed together. People are going to argue.
 

Arguing is no problem. Nick is great at arguing. Alphina wasn't arguing though. He was just bullying someone who appeared weak. At least that's the way it looked to me.

I'm sorry if I offended you but I honestly didn't think you would consider what he did flashy/classy.

He specifically picked the guy who'd given the least impressive performance, and made the most humble remarks, and then he didn't even challenge him, but instead snuck up behind him and ambushed him with an irresistible spell.
 
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Okay, I'll give. It wasn't paticularly flashy. Impressive? Being able to lay a 20th level spellcaster low with simple spells is a bit more impressive.

I would also like to point out that the defence against the Power Word: spell line is on your spell list (Mindblank). That and trust me, The one he used was better than the alternitive (Quickened, Empowered, Sudden Maximized Vampiric touch.)

And arguements generally lead to fights. Paticularly in a place such as this where even death is largely irrelivent, and fighting is less dangerous for everyone involved.
 

Vincent Tempes said:
Okay, I'll give. It wasn't paticularly flashy. Impressive? Being able to lay a 20th level spellcaster low with simple spells is a bit more impressive.

I would also like to point out that the defence against the Power Word: spell line is on your spell list (Mindblank). That and trust me, The one he used was better than the alternitive (Quickened, Empowered, Sudden Maximized Vampiric touch.)

And arguements generally lead to fights. Paticularly in a place such as this where even death is largely irrelivent, and fighting is less dangerous for everyone involved.

I'm sorry but I just don't see what's so impressive about ambushing anyone with an irresistible spell. He could have sucker-punched him and gotten the exact same effect.

Arguments generally turn into fights when the parties involved don't actually care about proving their point and just want to put down their opponent. That's not an argument, it's a couple of morons yelling at each other.

"1 and 1 is 2!"

"Nu uh, 1 and 1 is 11, you dumb!"

"Nuh uh! You dumb!"

"Yarg! There I punch your face, that prove I right."

"Rawr! I kick your balls, that prove I righter- er... What I right about?"

People with superhuman intelligence are generally smarter than that. ;)
 
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I'm also skeptical about a magic user who gets into fights every time they argue and gets into frequent arguments surviving long enough to reach level twenty. We aren't exactly brawlers. :\
 

Once again, I'm going to go with Jemal here and just stop the arguement, because I'm honestly starting to get a little annoyed. People fight because they argue and tempes flair, not because they are all retarded.

You think my presentation was flawed. Fair enough, I'll admit I wasn't paticularly impressed by "Look, I can make a dragon dance with a 9th level spell." *Shrug*

And finally, I have a feeling my character had a much better chance of hitting 20. He is ruthless and and quite willing to stomp out anything that gets in his way.

I'm more skeptical about a mage who is apparently willing to let anyone walk over him just to avoid a fight. Take this as a learning experience and maybe precast a few common defensive spells.

Sorry if that comes off rude, having an ugh day. *Goes to finish his spell list.*
 

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