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Jemal
Adventurer
Few things Ford :
First, you're not using Shapechange for shapechange, you're using it for 3.0 haste. As a 9th lvl spell available to most high lvl casters, I don't see that as being all that broken. Mutually assured destruction applies here (Monkey see, Monkey do).
Secondly, while chokers do seem to have the ability to manipulate components, it's a DM's call as to whether or not their 'hands' (or, as the MM refers to them, 'tentacles with multiple knobby joints of cartilage) are capable of performing the somatic's required of some spellcasting.
Thirdly, IIRC, All gear worn/items carried are merged into your form when you change shape and become nonfunctional, so in order to cast any of the spells which require a focus and/or material components, you'd have to set said components down on the ground, change shape, and then pick them up (Or have some other way of not holding them when you change shape).
Finally, b/c all gear is removed, you loose any enhancements/protections/buffs from said gear. While this doesn't apply so much to us right now as we don't HAVE any gear, it DOES still matter.
First, you're not using Shapechange for shapechange, you're using it for 3.0 haste. As a 9th lvl spell available to most high lvl casters, I don't see that as being all that broken. Mutually assured destruction applies here (Monkey see, Monkey do).
Secondly, while chokers do seem to have the ability to manipulate components, it's a DM's call as to whether or not their 'hands' (or, as the MM refers to them, 'tentacles with multiple knobby joints of cartilage) are capable of performing the somatic's required of some spellcasting.
Thirdly, IIRC, All gear worn/items carried are merged into your form when you change shape and become nonfunctional, so in order to cast any of the spells which require a focus and/or material components, you'd have to set said components down on the ground, change shape, and then pick them up (Or have some other way of not holding them when you change shape).
Finally, b/c all gear is removed, you loose any enhancements/protections/buffs from said gear. While this doesn't apply so much to us right now as we don't HAVE any gear, it DOES still matter.
Dire Lemming
First Post
Jemal said:
Sure, that doesn't mean he won't fight if he can't avoid one or it serves his purpose. A pacifist is someone who believes that violence is never necessary. Nick is willing to start two other people fighting if it serves his purposes.
I stated his ability scores to emphasize that Nick doesn't get into fights where he is at a disadvantage and has nothing to gain. He's more intelligent and charismatic than that.
Halford
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You have a point Jemal, but I am confident that in a match up against almost any other combatant an extra standard action every round is worth it. Someone well set up for this trick can be prebuffed with ongoing spell effects, or even buff whilst in Choker form using the extra standard action.
Frankly it ends up in an exponentialy higher success chance, double the number of save or dies, buff, etc. Double the number of prep spells in a Timestop. You take a free action to drop any spell components or Foci you feel you will need and a move to pick them up. I'll admit that if the DM rules that it cannot manipulate components its next to useless, but looking at both the figure and picture in the MMI that seems to be somewhat unreasonable.
As for a ninth level spell being spent for 3.0 Haste, well yeah, 3.0 haste was amazing! Well worth a ninth level spell!
Ah, well I'd take it...
I'll take a look at Mindflayer, but its been a long time since I studied up on my polymorph cheese...
Frankly it ends up in an exponentialy higher success chance, double the number of save or dies, buff, etc. Double the number of prep spells in a Timestop. You take a free action to drop any spell components or Foci you feel you will need and a move to pick them up. I'll admit that if the DM rules that it cannot manipulate components its next to useless, but looking at both the figure and picture in the MMI that seems to be somewhat unreasonable.
As for a ninth level spell being spent for 3.0 Haste, well yeah, 3.0 haste was amazing! Well worth a ninth level spell!
Ah, well I'd take it...
I'll take a look at Mindflayer, but its been a long time since I studied up on my polymorph cheese...
Dire Lemming
First Post
Gee, I sure am glad you're all talking about so many ways to exploit a spell my character will never be able to cast. :\
Alright, since people seem to think I really need a spell that can kill people, how about replacing less geas with Phantasmal Killer? Sound good? Suggestions?
Alright, since people seem to think I really need a spell that can kill people, how about replacing less geas with Phantasmal Killer? Sound good? Suggestions?
Walking Dad
First Post
Hey I'm also "burdened" with a fixed spell list. At last you got some pre-buffs 
About Phantasmal Killer, it is one of the worst spells in game.
A save or die with two different saves, It is also fear and mind-affecting (that makes vermin, paladins, undead etc. immune to it). Finally it allows spell-resistance.
About Phantasmal Killer, it is one of the worst spells in game.
A save or die with two different saves, It is also fear and mind-affecting (that makes vermin, paladins, undead etc. immune to it). Finally it allows spell-resistance.
Dire Lemming
First Post
Ok... thanks for the suggestion... :\
Graybeard
Explorer
A choker? Interesting choice. I can understand the reasoning because of the extra standard action. It would be up to the DM if he allowed that extra standard to be used to cast spells. Some don't allow it to be used that way.
Other monsters that are interesting would be Titan, Purples Worm, or Dread Wraith. Too many good choices overall. choice is a good thing though. I always find it interesting to see what creatures someone will pick from the monster manual to turn into. I have a friend who always uses Polymorph to turn into elementals and nothing else. His explanation is that he likes elementals so that's what he chooses to turn into.
Some really interesting discussions so far.
Other monsters that are interesting would be Titan, Purples Worm, or Dread Wraith. Too many good choices overall. choice is a good thing though. I always find it interesting to see what creatures someone will pick from the monster manual to turn into. I have a friend who always uses Polymorph to turn into elementals and nothing else. His explanation is that he likes elementals so that's what he chooses to turn into.
Some really interesting discussions so far.
Vincent Tempes
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Away!
Oi, due to circumstances beyond my control, I'm going to be away from the interweb for the next few days. I'll likely be back as early as friday/saturday... Feel free to NPC me as need be, and sorry bout this!
Oi, due to circumstances beyond my control, I'm going to be away from the interweb for the next few days. I'll likely be back as early as friday/saturday... Feel free to NPC me as need be, and sorry bout this!
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