Melee version of Practised Spellcaster feat
- Thread starter Hawkeye
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No because that would be 100 times more powerful than Practice Spellcaster.
The closest is Abjurant Champion or the Cleric spell that temporarily increases BAB.
Jack Simth
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Nope. Prestige class requirements is the biggest reason - many of them are based on BAB. If you have a "practiced combatant" feat that increases your BAB by some amount to a maximum of your hit dice, then you can get full casters qualifying for full advancement gish PrC's much earlier.
Couldn't a martial class do the same thing, except with practiced spellcaster? Oh, I suppose you mean a straight wizard pumping that feat to avoid multiclassing?
~shrug~ Make the Practiced Combatant require a level in a non-casting class and make it do +2 BAB instead of +4?
Jack Simth
First Post
There's almost no PrC of significance that is based on just caster level - almost everything asks for spell levels, instead, and Practiced Spellcaster does not affect those.
Or to cut back on it, at least.
Has possibilities. But one does not currently exist, so for that, you'd technically want the House Rules subforum.
Well, I suppose Hawkeye has his answer.
I was just wondering if that'd be something balanced and a possible suggestion for Hawkeye to look at when moving to Houseruling.
StreamOfTheSky
Adventurer
First of all, a level 5 caster w/ 9 HD taking Practiced Spellcaster for an example. He may cast at CL 9, but he does not have the spell slots per day and access to level 5 spells the actual level 9 caster has. So if you truly wanted an "equivalent" Practiced Warrior feat, it would NOT add BAB at all, it would simply let your BAB count as higher than it actually is for meeting requirements and such. If you think it's balanced to have a feat that actually adds BAB...I'm not even going to waste time debating you....
Second of all, requirements for non caster feats/classes are very often based around BAB, while as for casters that is seldom the case, as Jack mentioned.
Thirdly, casters need the +CL to do things like overcome SR. There is no game mechanic that says you need a BAB of x to be able to hit or creature (or make a "BAB check," I guess). Just AC. Anything that adds to attack bonus helps with that.
While as even with PS feat, it's still a REALLY bad idea to multiclass as a caster because you still loose so much just in spell progression, with non casters, it's already lucrative to dip in multiple classes for their front-loaded class features. Even if it means losing some BAB. I think a better solution is using the partial BAB progressions from Unearthed Arcana for multiclassing. And if you're using that one (tends to help a multiclass character), it's only fair to also use the partial saves rules (which tend to hurt multiclass characters since you can then only get that inital +2 once per good save). Unfortunately, d20srd.org doesn't seem to have that variant rule....
Second of all, requirements for non caster feats/classes are very often based around BAB, while as for casters that is seldom the case, as Jack mentioned.
Thirdly, casters need the +CL to do things like overcome SR. There is no game mechanic that says you need a BAB of x to be able to hit or creature (or make a "BAB check," I guess). Just AC. Anything that adds to attack bonus helps with that.
While as even with PS feat, it's still a REALLY bad idea to multiclass as a caster because you still loose so much just in spell progression, with non casters, it's already lucrative to dip in multiple classes for their front-loaded class features. Even if it means losing some BAB. I think a better solution is using the partial BAB progressions from Unearthed Arcana for multiclassing. And if you're using that one (tends to help a multiclass character), it's only fair to also use the partial saves rules (which tend to hurt multiclass characters since you can then only get that inital +2 once per good save). Unfortunately, d20srd.org doesn't seem to have that variant rule....
Aus_Snow
First Post
I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this major difference between the two (haven't read every post yet). . .
Every class, and every type of HD, gives you BAB (min. 2 HD to get at least +1 BAB, regardless, even if you're not using fractional BAB). By way of comparison, how many non-spellcasting HDs / classes give you anything to do with casting? That's right: 0.
Every class, and every type of HD, gives you BAB (min. 2 HD to get at least +1 BAB, regardless, even if you're not using fractional BAB). By way of comparison, how many non-spellcasting HDs / classes give you anything to do with casting? That's right: 0.
Aus_Snow
First Post
Well, it's nothing to do with BAB, but there are some kind of similar feats in certain books, like Complete Adventurer, allowing you to multiclass more effectively between two given classes.
