Metabreath Draconic Breath?

Jinglehopper

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Quick question. I was wondering if there was official word on this and I couldn't find it in the books. Do the Metabreath feats from Dragonomicon work with the Draconic Breath feat from RotD?

If so, how do you deal with the +1 round before use penalty? Add a spell level to the cost?
 

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Jinglehopper said:
Quick question. I was wondering if there was official word on this and I couldn't find it in the books. Do the Metabreath feats from Dragonomicon work with the Draconic Breath feat from RotD?

If so, how do you deal with the +1 round before use penalty? Add a spell level to the cost?

As written, no. Metabreath feats require a recharge time measured in rounds. Draconic Breath does not have this.

Adding spell levels isn't an unreasonable way to apply them, as a houserule, though it might warrant further consideration.

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Draconic Breath allows a half-dragon to use its breath weapon once every 1d4 rounds instead of once per day; so yes, metabreath feats would work.
 

JiCi said:
Draconic Breath allows a half-dragon to use its breath weapon once every 1d4 rounds instead of once per day; so yes, metabreath feats would work.

That isn't what the feat says on p. 102.

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Draconic Breath doesn't require you to be half-dragon. Only prereq is Draconic Heritage. I plan to take Dragonblood Sorceror as a racial sub. level so I will have Draconic Heritage as a free feat. I will also be working up to Dragonblood Mage which gets Draconic Breath feat as a class feature. I was hoping with later levels adding some utility to the breath weapon feature with the Metabreath feats.

But it seems the metabreath were not written to be used with Draconic Breath as they use two different mechanics. I guess it will have to be house ruled to work, as you say.
 
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The Metabreath feats don't require a recharge in rounds explicitely. Clearly, that's what they were primarily designed for (since this is what dragons do), but I find they work fine as is even for sorcerers which replace spell slots with breath attacks: in other words without house-ruling an increase in spell level slot cost. This is balanced because the fact that you need to wait several rounds between breath attacks is a cost even if you also need to pay a spell slot, and because a sorcerer's breath attack is never his most powerful weapon (if he chooses to use spells to deal damage he'll come out ahead).

I let my sorcerer simply use the metabreath feats as-is therefore. In addition to the spell slot he must give up to perform a breath attack at all, if he's applying a metabreath feat, he also needs to apply it's cost - namely an additional waiting time after using it before using the breath again.

It's nice for the player, because he can use a variety of breath weapon feats without wasting all his high-level slots, and it's nice for gameplay because if he chooses to do so (at the cost of one or more feats of course), then his signature ability (the breath weapon) can't be used every round, and that makes for some interesting tactical situations.

No need for a house-rule, although the rules look a little funny, they work fine as-is, I think.
 
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eamon said:
The Metabreath feats don't require a recharge in rounds explicitely.

It doesn't list it as a prerequisite for the feats, but the definition of a Metabreath feat on page 66 of the Draconomicon states "To take a metabreah feat, a creature must have a breath weapon whose time between breaths is expressed in rounds."

I was rather disappointed when I first found out about this.
 

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