Metric & Markets

I'd like to hear the opinion of one of these scientists, who uses both systems. Personally, I like Metric fine, though I use Imperial most of the time since I live in the US. Using both is annoying, but not impossible.

I'm a physicist. Will that do?

We're taught rather early on that we need to use multiple systems - whichever is easiest for the task at hand. Sometimes, we use systems of measure where the speed of light is 1. Unitless, even.

Furlongs per fortnight, miles per hour, meters per second - the choice is either arbitrary, or for sake of convenience. Use what works. If you need to convert, it is a simple matter of multiplication - if you can't manage that, you've probably got no business calling yourself a scientist.
 

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Err... no. 2-liter bottles of soda (and, more rarely, 1-liter, 3-liter, and half-liters, as well as liters of wine) are pretty common. But bottled water, milk and juice are sold in gallons and half-gallons (and more rarely quarts, pints, 12 ounce, and 8 ounce bottles). Beer is typically sold in 12 or 16 ounce bottles. Soda is available in 20 ounce, 16 ounce, 12 ounce, and 8 ounce bottles. Both beer and soda are ubiquitious in 12 ounce cans.
I said bottles. I don't drink alcohol, juice or milk. (Iced tea or soda, please, and the tea from powder** not in bottles.) And every water bottle in my house is 500 mL. Perhaps my experience isn't universal. :)

** Of course, I use teaspoons for measuring the mix, not milliliters (or grams).

Local editions in germany used metric systems. It used a good aproximation of 10 feet equals 1.5m. I use miles however because of flavour reasons.
1.5m is an inch or two shy of 5 ft.
 

In real life, I use a mix of both - imperial for most things (particularly distance; I *can't* visualise metric distance at any size); but metric for temperature, some food items, and (oddly enough) road speeds.

I'm almost the same, but not with measurement. When measuring stuff on a small scale, I prefer millimeters and centimeters to inches because inches means working in fractions. I hate working with fractions, even when they're all powers of 2. I'll do it when working in metric is inconvenient though.

I can't really visualize longer distances very well, so miles, kilometers, whatever, it's all the same to me.

And temperature; Celsius is better than Fahrenheit overall. I mean, what's with making 0 on a scale the lowest point at which a salt water solution will freeze? The freezing point of water at 0 and the boiling point at 100 should make more sense to the average person, especially when the two scales were developed within a few decades of each other. But I'm so used to Fahrenheit that I don't really understand Celcius temperatures well.

In the game, it's imperial all the way. I even re-did my coinage system to something similar to the pre-decimal British system (thus equivalents to pounds, shillings, pence, ha'pence, etc.), just for fun.

Fun? Not for me, I prefer keeping a decimalized currency system. Too much trouble converting between currency units, plus the players need to know what each coin is worth. And it helps that players can conceptualize cp as pennies and sp as dimes (If the Sacagewea dollar had managed to take off, we'd have gp too).
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It won't be completely gone from Canada until and unless it's at least mostly gone from the US. The overwhelming majority of the Canadian population livng within a two-hour drive of the border pretty much guarantees that.

Probably. They get some of our TV signals, a lot of our goods and the like, so it's understandable.

The global economy dictates shared standards.

That's what'll cause an American switch eventually. People will resist an imposed government change, but American companies will switch when it gets too expensive for them not to switch.

For two hundred years, ever since the French went crazy and got democratic revolution all wrong and invented metric, people have been adopting it for a variety of reasons. Often it was a need to feel or demonstrate modernity. In the later part of that period it was simple peer pressure. On the other hand, no one (outside of France during the period in question) switched to metric time or dating.

The French kept it I think because Napoleon was trying to build an empire. The calendar and metric time weren't worth the trouble of keeping, but France's units of measurement were a jumbled mess. And empire builders often standardize things like measurements and coinage.
 

And temperature; Celsius is better than Fahrenheit overall. I mean, what's with making 0 on a scale the lowest point at which a salt water solution will freeze? The freezing point of water at 0 and the boiling point at 100 should make more sense to the average person, especially when the two scales were developed within a few decades of each other. But I'm so used to Fahrenheit that I don't really understand Celcius temperatures well.

0 is the stable temperature that a mixture of water, ice, and ammonium chloride. The brine in question is frigorific. 32 is the temperature that ice and water sit at, also a frigorific mixture. 96 was human body temperature. The numbers were set after the level they set the thermometer was determined, and primarily chosen to be easy to mark on a scale by bisection. Later on someone noticed that water boils close to 180 degrees higher then it freezes, so the scale was rejiggered to make it 212. Why this precise methodology was chose, I'm not sure since neither of the men who used the brine methodology explained the reason, as far as I know. Likely though, they were points the men in question could be confident it being stable.

That's what'll cause an American switch eventually. People will resist an imposed government change, but American companies will switch when it gets too expensive for them not to switch.

You'd think that would have happened. It hasn't though. Most things sold internationally are either sold in metric, or they're sold in industry specific amounts.
 

I wasn't expecting so many in-depth replies. Thanks muchly.

Clearly, the market differences would have to be huge to justify multiple print runs, but I'm impressed that the Portuguese editions were actually worth running in metric.

I see the point regarding the olde worlde feel of Imperial measurements, although I think that dwarves - the master engineers - would probably use metric!

That's what'll cause an American switch eventually. People will resist an imposed government change, but American companies will switch when it gets too expensive for them not to switch.
Makes me think of this
 

I've been told Americans name large numbers like this:

million, billion, trillion, quadrillion, quintillon, sextillion, ...

In most European countries it looks like this:

million, milliard, billion, billiard, trillion, trilliard, ...

Clearly, the American system is better. Can we make a trade? :angel:
 



No it isn't, mate! You're behind the times. Read the BBC link which you quoted in Morrus' post :)
Yes it is. You've mis-read that article. :)

BBC said:
The decision will not affect current law on metric measurements

The EU have stepped back from making it illegal to even list prices in other than metric measurement.

So you can right now list prices in imperial alongside metric, but metric has to be displayed and is what the transaction occurs in at the point of sale. You could probably also list it in Shekels, Minas & Talents if you wanted, as long as the metric measurement is also given and used as the system of transaction at the point of purchase.
 

You asserted that it was illegal to sell food using imperial measurements. It was at one point, but thanks to the Metric Martyr of Sunderland (and others), the EU has backed off from their position.

It was going to be illegal to sell food using imperial measurements, but it isn't now going to be.

Thus, your original assertion is wrong.

The fact is that the vast majority of food is now sold in metric - even the quaint hold outs like marmite in its 254g jars (neatly matching its old size in oz) have now become 250g jars. However, it is not illegal to sell food in imperial measurements - as long as metric equivalents are displayed. If the greengrocers have scales marked in imperial and metric (which was going to be made illegal), then children can buy 'half a kilo' of bananas and grandparents can buy 'one pound of bananas' and everyone measures in what they are comfortable with.

Which is as it should be IMO.

Cheers
 

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