D&D General Mike Mearls says control spells are ruining 5th Edition

[Zardnaar]

The point is that lowering saves and making it 3 rounds makes the problem a lot worse. Control spells only need to work for 1 or 2 rounds to destroy an encounter at the current save levels.

This. Command for example is usually a tempo loss. Vs Solis or a few critters (generally 1-3) it tends to hose them. 5.5 its easily twinned as well. Very low opportunity cost.

Hold spells basically a death sentence. A tier 2 champion can critters 10% of the time. 20% roughly using vex and inspiration (eg lvl 10). Paralyzed that becomes 100%. Also easily and cheaply twinned.

Fodder doesnt matter due to spells like spirit guardians. Party composition matters sure but theres usually other ways of doing it.

 

[wizard71]

The point is that lowering saves and making it 3 rounds makes the problem a lot worse. Control spells only need to work for 1 or 2 rounds to destroy an encounter at the current save levels.

That is not an issue with control spells. It’s an issue with PC’s being overpowered.

 

[FrogReaver]

That is not an issue with control spells. It’s an issue with PC’s being overpowered.

The control spells are generally why casters are OP.

 

[Zardnaar]

The control spells are generally why casters are OP.

They cant seal the deal very well. The control spells ideally are enabling the martials.

Its not 3E anymore.

Control spells+ high damage are overwhelming 5E monsters with minimal effort assuming you're vaguely aware of what to do.

 

[wizard71]

The control spells are generally why casters are OP.

Not against creatures with magic resistance. A lot of the saves have been buffed. With MR they tend to have a decent chance. Plus legendary resistance makes control spells a joke.

 

[Zardnaar]

Not against creatures with magic resistance. A lot of the saves have been buffed. With MR they tend to have a decent chance. Plus legendary resistance makes control spells a joke.

SR generally only matters if you have a decent save to begin with.

Spell SCs can ve around 17-19 level 9.